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DetlefK

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11. Exactly.

Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:05 AM

Sep 2014

How can we blame the celebrities for storing personal data in a way that they were told is safe? How can we blame them when the method is at fault?

If we apply the same logic to everyday crime, then every theft can be traced back to someone trusting a method to be safe when it is not PERFECTLY safe. And because no method to prevent theft is perfectly safe, we can always blame the victim for choosing that method.

These celebrities are ultimately just users, just consumers like me and you. They are not in the business of security or IT, so you can't expect them to know each and every weak spot of everything they use. They purchase a method and they expect it to work, taking the guys who sell it at their word. If it doesn't work, then it's the fault of the guys who sold it.

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OK, to anyone who thinks the people who had their nude photos stolen, shouldn't have posted them.... [View all] riqster Sep 2014 OP

That's why I live in a cave. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #1

I assume I have no privacy. Then I live my life. riqster Sep 2014 #3

Isn't it amazing your statement is true? Lonusca Sep 2014 #67

Asimov once said that the advance of civilization was nothing but a decline in privacy. riqster Sep 2014 #87

“The advance of civilization is nothing but an exercise in the limiting of privacy.” Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #89

Thanks! One of the Foundation novels IIRC. riqster Sep 2014 #95

Spot on Lonusca Sep 2014 #108

Ouch. Helluva thought. riqster Sep 2014 #110

They didn't "post" them anywhere. They had them stored on an external hard-drive. DetlefK Sep 2014 #2

They posted them to a supposedly secure online/cloud storage location. riqster Sep 2014 #4

Sigh. Let's say, you use a private back-up-server for your laptop/smartphone. DetlefK Sep 2014 #7

That is the crux of the security piece. Legally, we agree to joint liability with Internet companies riqster Sep 2014 #8

Agree! Information is information. It's the theft of information that should be of concern, RKP5637 Sep 2014 #40

+1 riqster Sep 2014 #61

I Guess I'm Not Following Your Logic Here..... global1 Sep 2014 #9

Exactly. DetlefK Sep 2014 #11

I actually thought you were being serious in that post kcr Sep 2014 #13

Apologies. Feral Child Sep 2014 #94

You can't be serious.. sendero Sep 2014 #18

I think the poster was making a point in a snarky fashion. riqster Sep 2014 #20

Probably.. sendero Sep 2014 #26

Long live the snark! DetlefK Sep 2014 #132

That's a sign it was snark well done kcr Sep 2014 #138

I would say so... sendero Sep 2014 #154

It is beyond ridiculous on purpose. The poster was taking the logical position to an extreme pnwmom Sep 2014 #75

Thank you! You said it very well. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #74

DELETED, 'cause I was being a reactionary twit. Feral Child Sep 2014 #93

"Post" implies some degree of action and intent. It also implies that other people will be viewing. pnwmom Sep 2014 #72

Post is a word with more than one meaning. riqster Sep 2014 #86

I couldn't agree more, riqster. All this has been classic blame-the-victim bullshit, pnwmom Sep 2014 #97

THIS: riqster Sep 2014 #100

How about if they're pics of nude people holding their bank statements? BKH70041 Sep 2014 #5

The point is the double standard. riqster Sep 2014 #6

I haven't noticed that. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #10

Recently, some celebs' cloud accounts were hacked and nude pics posted online. riqster Sep 2014 #14

Ah, OK. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #19

That is a matter of personal choice, of course. riqster Sep 2014 #22

Hopefully there will be some lessons learned. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #38

Are you implying that people who have nude pictures of themselves... hunter Sep 2014 #35

No. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #43

Do people intentionally keep their bank records on the cloud? hughee99 Sep 2014 #45

Good points. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #48

Flawed analogy. The cloud services are marketed as "secure". riqster Sep 2014 #50

I think you're missing the greater point. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #52

Well, that assumes a level of awareness on the part of the general public. riqster Sep 2014 #59

Then that's a sad state of affairs. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #62

Cell phones are marketed as secure as well, but we know from recent news they are not. hughee99 Sep 2014 #54

To this:"45. Do people intentionally keep their bank records on the cloud?" riqster Sep 2014 #51

Storing many TB of data and storing sensitive information are not exactly the same thing, hughee99 Sep 2014 #58

you can be FOR security and think hackers are CRIMINALS Skittles Sep 2014 #109

Learn what posting means, will ya? riqster Sep 2014 #120

LOL Skittles Sep 2014 #121

Guess people shouldn't own valuables at all. Houses can't be fully burlgary proof kcr Sep 2014 #125

no you really don't get it Skittles Sep 2014 #128

I get it. You disapprove of nude pics of women. riqster Sep 2014 #131

So? ann--- Sep 2014 #134

That would be the point kcr Sep 2014 #141

How can you compare ann--- Sep 2014 #143

It doesn't matter if they aren't the same kcr Sep 2014 #155

+1 riqster Sep 2014 #130

No. Because you are moralizing. And because any location can be hacked. riqster Sep 2014 #129

The "morality" question is ann--- Sep 2014 #33

It's irrelevant gollygee Sep 2014 #42

I know, but it IS ann--- Sep 2014 #64

Screw those puritanical nimrods. Morals are not precisely equal to laws. riqster Sep 2014 #44

Have you seen anyone ann--- Sep 2014 #65

And others can respond to that opinion kcr Sep 2014 #127

I never said ann--- Sep 2014 #133

That's all anyone is doing. kcr Sep 2014 #135

I don't have a problem ann--- Sep 2014 #136

But no one is doing that kcr Sep 2014 #137

Some are ann--- Sep 2014 #139

Well, I disagree. They are blaming the victim. kcr Sep 2014 #140

Well then, they don't have to pose nude. hunter Sep 2014 #49

Everybody does NOT know this already. If they did, they wouldn't be paying online bills pnwmom Sep 2014 #77

Very well put! riqster Sep 2014 #88

I would not store an unencrypted file containing personal financial information on iCloud. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #12

Indeed. But blaming the victims is inappropriate. riqster Sep 2014 #15

No one blames ann--- Sep 2014 #30

People do indeed blame the victims. riqster Sep 2014 #36

Inappropriate? ann--- Sep 2014 #66

Depends on how it is phrased by the opinion holder. riqster Sep 2014 #69

forget it - this one just does NOT.FUCKING.GET.IT. Skittles Sep 2014 #123

but naked pics is a woman problem, whereas banking is not. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #16

Just so. It would have been interesting had an equal number of male and female celebs been robbed. riqster Sep 2014 #17

Maybe gay men and women are not as perverted? Generic Other Sep 2014 #24

i think some men feel entitled to women's bodies in a way that women don't about men La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #28

I think you are correct. Male privilege. riqster Sep 2014 #31

i dont think this is male privilege per se. i think its just misogyny. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #34

Either way, it is not a good thing. riqster Sep 2014 #37

agreed. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #53

The idea of making a private stash Generic Other Sep 2014 #55

At least one famous man was in the pics (with his famous wife) and nobody seems to be scolding him. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #68

Didn't know that. Thanks. riqster Sep 2014 #70

Agree but it is even more of a violation exboyfil Sep 2014 #21

No argument there. riqster Sep 2014 #23

This underlying fact remains Generic Other Sep 2014 #25

Comments sections all over the internet liberalmuse Sep 2014 #27

'Struth. riqster Sep 2014 #32

Not exactly the same thing ann--- Sep 2014 #29

You can't? kcr Sep 2014 #124

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2014 #39

Credit card information is not deeply embarrassing to some. randome Sep 2014 #41

You're assuming shame, and I think that is off-target. riqster Sep 2014 #47

Well, if shame doesn't enter into it, then what does? randome Sep 2014 #73

Sure. If something of value is stolen from my car instead of my house, it is still a violation. riqster Sep 2014 #78

You're equating monetary value with emotional value. randome Sep 2014 #80

The thing is: they didn't. riqster Sep 2014 #81

Accounts that exist on a public cloud network. Kind of a virtual commune. randome Sep 2014 #82

Wrong. Private network storage is supposed to be secure. It can be. riqster Sep 2014 #83

You don't need to take nude photos of yourself to function in society The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #46

What does that have to do with this conversation? hunter Sep 2014 #57

It was the comparison made in the OP The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #63

Disagree. Theft is theft. It isn't any less so if the victim is female or famous. riqster Sep 2014 #76

Didn't say it was less The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #84

But to treat cases of nudity and finance differently is a moral judgment. riqster Sep 2014 #85

I'm not making a moral judgment The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #91

Having jewelry is a choice. Having a television is a choice. kcr Sep 2014 #142

What does that have to do with anything? Hugabear Sep 2014 #148

We don't get a choice sometimes about our info on the net Politicalboi Sep 2014 #56

Victim-blaming tommyrot, and inaccurate to boot. riqster Sep 2014 #71

I agree and I am NOT victim blaming Skittles Sep 2014 #79

Crap. That is moralizing and blaming, whether you admit it or not. riqster Sep 2014 #92

HEY Skittles Sep 2014 #105

That is the point of the OP. Moralizing. It sucks. riqster Sep 2014 #114

Yup. nt cwydro Sep 2014 #101

I am SICK of the moralizing from people who think the internet will EVER be *REALLY SECURE* Skittles Sep 2014 #106

If people pay for security, they should get it. riqster Sep 2014 #117

Did these women post their pictures on the internet? Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #119

SNAIL MAIL and DO NOT PRIVATIZE THE US POSTAL SERVICE !!!!!! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #60

I agree Feral Child Sep 2014 #90

Thanks. He has a very laconic style, I envy him that. riqster Sep 2014 #96

Do you leave your bank info on a cloud service? Taitertots Sep 2014 #98

Banks do. The government does. Major corporations do. Schools do. riqster Sep 2014 #102

Do you? I wouldn't. The groups you listed get hacked all the time. Taitertots Sep 2014 #111

That is the point. Nobody goes all victim-blamey if the NSA gets hacked, for example. riqster Sep 2014 #118

Obviously they shouldn't have posted them. They were stolen. Marr Sep 2014 #99

Horse Shit. Sorry, but that is malarkey. riqster Sep 2014 #103

Nothing is absolutely secure on the internet. Marr Sep 2014 #107

See, that post I have no quarrel with. riqster Sep 2014 #112

Even if it isn't digital, it could still be stolen kcr Sep 2014 #126

True. Me, too. riqster Sep 2014 #153

He's expecting girls of 14-18 to have full foreknowledge of love turned to hate, Warpy Sep 2014 #104

the internet is like CB Radio quadrature Sep 2014 #113

A very good point. riqster Sep 2014 #116

I wouldn't cry "Fake!" or "Underage!" with my banking deets. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #115

no one would pay a million dollars for my info either Skittles Sep 2014 #122

they shouldn't have taken them on their CELLS! librechik Sep 2014 #144

Incorrect. Apple has already admitted that the users in question took precautions. riqster Sep 2014 #145

yeah, I'm sure, but why trust Apple to protect your naked ass? librechik Sep 2014 #147

"Or just don't". riqster Sep 2014 #149

not at all. I have nothing against nudity. Even voluntary public nudity. librechik Sep 2014 #150

Good one, I'm going to use that. Hugabear Sep 2014 #146

The basic issue is did the consumer have a reasonable, realistic expectation of privacy. no_hypocrisy Sep 2014 #151

I addressed the 100% fallacy here: riqster Sep 2014 #152