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44. Screw those puritanical nimrods. Morals are not precisely equal to laws.

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Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:59 AM

Sep 2014

When a law is broken, it is broken. Our individual moral assessments are immaterial to the case.

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OK, to anyone who thinks the people who had their nude photos stolen, shouldn't have posted them.... [View all] riqster Sep 2014 OP

That's why I live in a cave. el_bryanto Sep 2014 #1

I assume I have no privacy. Then I live my life. riqster Sep 2014 #3

Isn't it amazing your statement is true? Lonusca Sep 2014 #67

Asimov once said that the advance of civilization was nothing but a decline in privacy. riqster Sep 2014 #87

“The advance of civilization is nothing but an exercise in the limiting of privacy.” Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #89

Thanks! One of the Foundation novels IIRC. riqster Sep 2014 #95

Spot on Lonusca Sep 2014 #108

Ouch. Helluva thought. riqster Sep 2014 #110

They didn't "post" them anywhere. They had them stored on an external hard-drive. DetlefK Sep 2014 #2

They posted them to a supposedly secure online/cloud storage location. riqster Sep 2014 #4

Sigh. Let's say, you use a private back-up-server for your laptop/smartphone. DetlefK Sep 2014 #7

That is the crux of the security piece. Legally, we agree to joint liability with Internet companies riqster Sep 2014 #8

Agree! Information is information. It's the theft of information that should be of concern, RKP5637 Sep 2014 #40

+1 riqster Sep 2014 #61

I Guess I'm Not Following Your Logic Here..... global1 Sep 2014 #9

Exactly. DetlefK Sep 2014 #11

I actually thought you were being serious in that post kcr Sep 2014 #13

Apologies. Feral Child Sep 2014 #94

You can't be serious.. sendero Sep 2014 #18

I think the poster was making a point in a snarky fashion. riqster Sep 2014 #20

Probably.. sendero Sep 2014 #26

Long live the snark! DetlefK Sep 2014 #132

That's a sign it was snark well done kcr Sep 2014 #138

I would say so... sendero Sep 2014 #154

It is beyond ridiculous on purpose. The poster was taking the logical position to an extreme pnwmom Sep 2014 #75

Thank you! You said it very well. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #74

DELETED, 'cause I was being a reactionary twit. Feral Child Sep 2014 #93

"Post" implies some degree of action and intent. It also implies that other people will be viewing. pnwmom Sep 2014 #72

Post is a word with more than one meaning. riqster Sep 2014 #86

I couldn't agree more, riqster. All this has been classic blame-the-victim bullshit, pnwmom Sep 2014 #97

THIS: riqster Sep 2014 #100

How about if they're pics of nude people holding their bank statements? BKH70041 Sep 2014 #5

The point is the double standard. riqster Sep 2014 #6

I haven't noticed that. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #10

Recently, some celebs' cloud accounts were hacked and nude pics posted online. riqster Sep 2014 #14

Ah, OK. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #19

That is a matter of personal choice, of course. riqster Sep 2014 #22

Hopefully there will be some lessons learned. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #38

Are you implying that people who have nude pictures of themselves... hunter Sep 2014 #35

No. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #43

Do people intentionally keep their bank records on the cloud? hughee99 Sep 2014 #45

Good points. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #48

Flawed analogy. The cloud services are marketed as "secure". riqster Sep 2014 #50

I think you're missing the greater point. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #52

Well, that assumes a level of awareness on the part of the general public. riqster Sep 2014 #59

Then that's a sad state of affairs. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #62

Cell phones are marketed as secure as well, but we know from recent news they are not. hughee99 Sep 2014 #54

To this:"45. Do people intentionally keep their bank records on the cloud?" riqster Sep 2014 #51

Storing many TB of data and storing sensitive information are not exactly the same thing, hughee99 Sep 2014 #58

you can be FOR security and think hackers are CRIMINALS Skittles Sep 2014 #109

Learn what posting means, will ya? riqster Sep 2014 #120

LOL Skittles Sep 2014 #121

Guess people shouldn't own valuables at all. Houses can't be fully burlgary proof kcr Sep 2014 #125

no you really don't get it Skittles Sep 2014 #128

I get it. You disapprove of nude pics of women. riqster Sep 2014 #131

So? ann--- Sep 2014 #134

That would be the point kcr Sep 2014 #141

How can you compare ann--- Sep 2014 #143

It doesn't matter if they aren't the same kcr Sep 2014 #155

+1 riqster Sep 2014 #130

No. Because you are moralizing. And because any location can be hacked. riqster Sep 2014 #129

The "morality" question is ann--- Sep 2014 #33

It's irrelevant gollygee Sep 2014 #42

I know, but it IS ann--- Sep 2014 #64

Screw those puritanical nimrods. Morals are not precisely equal to laws. riqster Sep 2014 #44

Have you seen anyone ann--- Sep 2014 #65

And others can respond to that opinion kcr Sep 2014 #127

I never said ann--- Sep 2014 #133

That's all anyone is doing. kcr Sep 2014 #135

I don't have a problem ann--- Sep 2014 #136

But no one is doing that kcr Sep 2014 #137

Some are ann--- Sep 2014 #139

Well, I disagree. They are blaming the victim. kcr Sep 2014 #140

Well then, they don't have to pose nude. hunter Sep 2014 #49

Everybody does NOT know this already. If they did, they wouldn't be paying online bills pnwmom Sep 2014 #77

Very well put! riqster Sep 2014 #88

I would not store an unencrypted file containing personal financial information on iCloud. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #12

Indeed. But blaming the victims is inappropriate. riqster Sep 2014 #15

No one blames ann--- Sep 2014 #30

People do indeed blame the victims. riqster Sep 2014 #36

Inappropriate? ann--- Sep 2014 #66

Depends on how it is phrased by the opinion holder. riqster Sep 2014 #69

forget it - this one just does NOT.FUCKING.GET.IT. Skittles Sep 2014 #123

but naked pics is a woman problem, whereas banking is not. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #16

Just so. It would have been interesting had an equal number of male and female celebs been robbed. riqster Sep 2014 #17

Maybe gay men and women are not as perverted? Generic Other Sep 2014 #24

i think some men feel entitled to women's bodies in a way that women don't about men La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #28

I think you are correct. Male privilege. riqster Sep 2014 #31

i dont think this is male privilege per se. i think its just misogyny. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #34

Either way, it is not a good thing. riqster Sep 2014 #37

agreed. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #53

The idea of making a private stash Generic Other Sep 2014 #55

At least one famous man was in the pics (with his famous wife) and nobody seems to be scolding him. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #68

Didn't know that. Thanks. riqster Sep 2014 #70

Agree but it is even more of a violation exboyfil Sep 2014 #21

No argument there. riqster Sep 2014 #23

This underlying fact remains Generic Other Sep 2014 #25

Comments sections all over the internet liberalmuse Sep 2014 #27

'Struth. riqster Sep 2014 #32

Not exactly the same thing ann--- Sep 2014 #29

You can't? kcr Sep 2014 #124

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2014 #39

Credit card information is not deeply embarrassing to some. randome Sep 2014 #41

You're assuming shame, and I think that is off-target. riqster Sep 2014 #47

Well, if shame doesn't enter into it, then what does? randome Sep 2014 #73

Sure. If something of value is stolen from my car instead of my house, it is still a violation. riqster Sep 2014 #78

You're equating monetary value with emotional value. randome Sep 2014 #80

The thing is: they didn't. riqster Sep 2014 #81

Accounts that exist on a public cloud network. Kind of a virtual commune. randome Sep 2014 #82

Wrong. Private network storage is supposed to be secure. It can be. riqster Sep 2014 #83

You don't need to take nude photos of yourself to function in society The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #46

What does that have to do with this conversation? hunter Sep 2014 #57

It was the comparison made in the OP The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #63

Disagree. Theft is theft. It isn't any less so if the victim is female or famous. riqster Sep 2014 #76

Didn't say it was less The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #84

But to treat cases of nudity and finance differently is a moral judgment. riqster Sep 2014 #85

I'm not making a moral judgment The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #91

Having jewelry is a choice. Having a television is a choice. kcr Sep 2014 #142

What does that have to do with anything? Hugabear Sep 2014 #148

We don't get a choice sometimes about our info on the net Politicalboi Sep 2014 #56

Victim-blaming tommyrot, and inaccurate to boot. riqster Sep 2014 #71

I agree and I am NOT victim blaming Skittles Sep 2014 #79

Crap. That is moralizing and blaming, whether you admit it or not. riqster Sep 2014 #92

HEY Skittles Sep 2014 #105

That is the point of the OP. Moralizing. It sucks. riqster Sep 2014 #114

Yup. nt cwydro Sep 2014 #101

I am SICK of the moralizing from people who think the internet will EVER be *REALLY SECURE* Skittles Sep 2014 #106

If people pay for security, they should get it. riqster Sep 2014 #117

Did these women post their pictures on the internet? Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #119

SNAIL MAIL and DO NOT PRIVATIZE THE US POSTAL SERVICE !!!!!! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #60

I agree Feral Child Sep 2014 #90

Thanks. He has a very laconic style, I envy him that. riqster Sep 2014 #96

Do you leave your bank info on a cloud service? Taitertots Sep 2014 #98

Banks do. The government does. Major corporations do. Schools do. riqster Sep 2014 #102

Do you? I wouldn't. The groups you listed get hacked all the time. Taitertots Sep 2014 #111

That is the point. Nobody goes all victim-blamey if the NSA gets hacked, for example. riqster Sep 2014 #118

Obviously they shouldn't have posted them. They were stolen. Marr Sep 2014 #99

Horse Shit. Sorry, but that is malarkey. riqster Sep 2014 #103

Nothing is absolutely secure on the internet. Marr Sep 2014 #107

See, that post I have no quarrel with. riqster Sep 2014 #112

Even if it isn't digital, it could still be stolen kcr Sep 2014 #126

True. Me, too. riqster Sep 2014 #153

He's expecting girls of 14-18 to have full foreknowledge of love turned to hate, Warpy Sep 2014 #104

the internet is like CB Radio quadrature Sep 2014 #113

A very good point. riqster Sep 2014 #116

I wouldn't cry "Fake!" or "Underage!" with my banking deets. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #115

no one would pay a million dollars for my info either Skittles Sep 2014 #122

they shouldn't have taken them on their CELLS! librechik Sep 2014 #144

Incorrect. Apple has already admitted that the users in question took precautions. riqster Sep 2014 #145

yeah, I'm sure, but why trust Apple to protect your naked ass? librechik Sep 2014 #147

"Or just don't". riqster Sep 2014 #149

not at all. I have nothing against nudity. Even voluntary public nudity. librechik Sep 2014 #150

Good one, I'm going to use that. Hugabear Sep 2014 #146

The basic issue is did the consumer have a reasonable, realistic expectation of privacy. no_hypocrisy Sep 2014 #151

I addressed the 100% fallacy here: riqster Sep 2014 #152