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91. Nice gaslighting

Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:49 PM

Sep 2014

You said plain as day that it was propaganda. That implies conspiracy to manipulate the public. Don't try and gaslight me otherwise.

You're also trying to move the goalposts. Now you are claiming that ISIS isn't an imminent threat. Yes, few people in Washington think that ISIS has the immediate capability to attack, but the medium and long term risk is very real, and there has been near universal agreement on that point. I refer you to the very clear comments made by Dempsey and Hagel on just that point. I guess we are supposed to wait until they are even stronger to deal with them?

Look, what is ambiguous here? This is a group that is committing monstrous atrocities. That openly claims the desire to create a global caliphate. That openly says they will kill all the unbelievers and apostates (anyone who doesn't believe exactly what they do). That has vowed to drown us in blood. Just what is ambiguous? How is this in any way like 2003?

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Yellow Cake! Johonny Sep 2014 #2

ooooh my gawdd!!! yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #52

Mmm...corn bread with some honey-butter. My favorite! BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #62

there are some major 'buts' samsingh Sep 2014 #3

Tens of thousands? WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #4

Between Syria and Iraq leftynyc Sep 2014 #5

Amateurs. progressoid Sep 2014 #28

Not really the point, is it? (n/t) leftynyc Sep 2014 #36

I dunno. What is the point? progressoid Sep 2014 #43

Well, installing Saddam Hussein *did* keep radical-Muslims in check, didn't it? BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #63

Uh - no leftynyc Sep 2014 #77

Everytime we go into Iraq AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #49

I have no argument with that statement at all leftynyc Sep 2014 #78

When including the children they teach to hate 24/7, yes. Amonester Sep 2014 #8

Their children are the only ones taught to hate? WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #9

Although you've got a point that needs adressing (not my job)... Amonester Sep 2014 #12

Really. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #13

What can I answer other than not in my civilized country? Amonester Sep 2014 #15

That is scarier than ISIS IMHO BobbyBoring Sep 2014 #45

Joining the police is a form of hatred? Renew Deal Sep 2014 #24

Yeah, because that's what I said. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #27

In a way, yes. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #79

What the poster is getting at... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #61

I looked at some news reports about Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2014 #72

A lot of them are westerners and other foreigners. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #53

So then we went in and executed a million of THEM. Mostly Sunnis in the beginning. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #7

Exactly. This is why we must abandon the Middle East. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #80

+1000 polly7 Sep 2014 #93

Sorry about your hand, Polly, hope it heals quickly. Your posts are gold on this forum. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #95

For myself no, for others yes. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #6

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Or space rabbits. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #39

Not sure I get your response. Feral Child Sep 2014 #67

Of course! I'm terrified of ISIS! Maedhros Sep 2014 #10

My Fox News spewing gas pump tells me I should be more afraid of Ebola corkhead Sep 2014 #16

There was also a report "Bin Laden Determined To Strike". KittyWampus Sep 2014 #11

Oh c'mon. Pretty far-fetched stuff. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #22

-snicker- KittyWampus Sep 2014 #25

You win the thread! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #38

It's our patriotic duty to be terrified of all the current bogeymen. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #14

and apparently it's also some people's duty to pretend there are no threats whatsoever. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #18

Do you feel threatened and/or terrified? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #21

No, but that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend there is no possible threat. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #23

Yes, and there's a threat that a meteorite may slam into your car. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #31

I didn't "pretend" there was no possible threat before 9/11 either. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #89

So what is the threat to the US? morningfog Sep 2014 #30

Currently, the best intelligence we have indicates that ISIS msanthrope Sep 2014 #55

Agreed. And not war. morningfog Sep 2014 #64

Well, more like coordinated limited military action and intelligence operations designed to msanthrope Sep 2014 #84

It is difficult to tell when the wolf is real, but having been deceived often does not mean uppityperson Sep 2014 #17

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yeah a friend was just on facebook saying that they were "terrified of 9/11" Horse with no Name Sep 2014 #20

No. I'm busy watching the US Open Tennis Tournament. Amonester Sep 2014 #26

My response to fearmongers: Neah neah-neah neah neah. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2014 #29

I expect them to strike within 24 business hours. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #32

I hear they only work 9-5 flamingdem Sep 2014 #35

* "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" -- Presidential Daily Briefing. August 8, 2001 Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #33

Using 9/11 to gin up fear and paranoia. WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #34

For someone who supposedly makes his living through writing and analysis Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #46

It is what I call the Bullshitter's Privilege Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #56

OMG! "TEH FEAR" IS HERE! WE"RE GONNA BE ATTACKED!!!1!!1 Zorra Sep 2014 #98

Obama's head on a pike? AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #73

I am quite interested in your reply to post #46. Still waiting. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #48

He did reply. In his next post. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #76

Um, no. Mr. Pitt has not replied to post #46. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #83

Quick! Which one of these things could have prevented the 9/11 attacks? Chathamization Sep 2014 #59

And you will note RobertEarl Sep 2014 #110

No. That paragraph refers to an anticipated electoral backlash. nt Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #112

But but but ISIS is bringing us a mushroom cloud! nt Ilsa Sep 2014 #40

Islamic State is ABSOLUTELY an existential threat to the domestic security of the United States. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #41

My fear of ISIS...... NCTraveler Sep 2014 #42

I Love The Who... Playinghardball Sep 2014 #44

That's what I vote for, more The Who. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #54

I'm afraid for the people they're brutalizing, polly7 Sep 2014 #47

George W. Bush. nt ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #81

Exactly. And for all we've given up to fund our "security state" in financing for social suffragette Sep 2014 #101

It is in the back in the mind when I am on the subeays, bridges, and crowds but hrmjustin Sep 2014 #50

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm more afraid of the RW crazies with sinkingfeeling Sep 2014 #51

Afraid of the Boston Marathon, Will? msanthrope Sep 2014 #57

What kind of game are you playing, ms? RobertEarl Sep 2014 #111

*ahem* WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #58

American Jihadists in Syria Could Bring Fight Home U.S. Official (Olsen) Warns *cough* Turborama Sep 2014 #105

So which is true? Hissyspit Sep 2014 #118

Well, there is a strong possibility some American jihadis will return Turborama Sep 2014 #120

There's always a strong possibility of everything, apparently. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #121

Yeah, there's also a strong possibility none of them plan to ever go back to the US Turborama Sep 2014 #122

I'm more afraid of our militarized police force than I am of Isis. Initech Sep 2014 #60

YESSSS!!!!! Autumn Colors Sep 2014 #65

My main fear and loathing of ISIS comes as a citizen of the world Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #66

+1000. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #69

Glad you posted that. Well said. It deserves an OP. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #74

ISIS seems to be very different than your average terrorist org. alarimer Sep 2014 #116

If I am to fear a boogyman... abakan Sep 2014 #68

Not only that, but those bloodthirsty Sandinistas are just a day's drive from Harlingen, Texas! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #70

yep heaven05 Sep 2014 #71

K&R n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #75

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out� Because I was not a Socialist." pampango Sep 2014 #82

Nah, fuck em. Mr. Olsen says they are not planning an attack on us and Autumn Sep 2014 #85

Are you kidding me?!! sub.theory Sep 2014 #86

No, he's not kidding you. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #87

Right, it's all a conspiracy sub.theory Sep 2014 #88

Yeah, I said it was a conspiracy... Hissyspit Sep 2014 #90

Nice gaslighting sub.theory Sep 2014 #91

I didn't say it was all propaganda. Nice misrepresentation. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #92

It's ok, Hissyspit sub.theory Sep 2014 #94

If I thought we we were really innocent in all of this I might be dumbfounded too. Live and Learn Sep 2014 #104

lies.. spanone Sep 2014 #96

When did so many Americans, even DUers, become addicted to fear? JEB Sep 2014 #97

Go watch the video of them executing thousands of young Iraqi men. joshcryer Sep 2014 #99

Exactly what national interests would be threatened? nt Zorra Sep 2014 #100

Regional security. joshcryer Sep 2014 #102

A force, we helped create. Who could have seen that coming? Live and Learn Sep 2014 #107

False. joshcryer Sep 2014 #108

Just like Hissyspit Sep 2014 #117

I'm all feared out! Live and Learn Sep 2014 #103

Syria Needs Aid Workers sub.theory Sep 2014 #115

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Not in the least, and I'm about 4000 miles closer to them than you are. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #109

Prevent it how? Hissyspit Sep 2014 #119

Skepticism and Lola Jane fadedrose Sep 2014 #113

No, I am afraid of SALT panader0 Sep 2014 #114