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el_bryanto

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23. I would care if my nude selfies were stolen

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Fri Sep 5, 2014, 10:29 AM

Sep 2014

But I work for a pretty conservative organization - there would probably be problems for me if that happened.

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There is no moral difference between blaming a woman for having her pics stolen, or for being raped. [View all] riqster Sep 2014 OP

Um, most men wouldn't give a damn if their nude selfies were stolen. randome Sep 2014 #1

apparently you don't have a daughter Evergreen Emerald Sep 2014 #3

You presume that every woman in the world feels embarrassed at being seen nude. randome Sep 2014 #38

Amanda Todd. 'Nuff said. LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #43

Are you saying that every man and woman should feel the same about their bodies? randome Sep 2014 #45

I think people should maybe aspire to not stealing other people's nude photos LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #49

I agree that the thieves are...well, thieves. randome Sep 2014 #53

Granted, LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #77

Just so. Consent is key, along with reasonable expectations of security. riqster Sep 2014 #82

Oh, noes! chervilant Sep 2014 #153

Reminds me of schools and airlines eliminating peanuts from meals and snacks eridani Sep 2014 #142

It has nothing to do with how a woman feels about their body. cui bono Sep 2014 #171

It is a crime of theft. No one is disputing that, so far as I can see. randome Sep 2014 #177

What rot. riqster Sep 2014 #4

Sure, I have proof that all men think the same as how I said. randome Sep 2014 #41

Crap. The OP addresses systemic and pervasive sexism and misogyny in our culture riqster Sep 2014 #48

So what did you mean by 'until men are treated the same.'? randome Sep 2014 #75

It means when we have gender equality. riqster Sep 2014 #78

I am a guy and there is a nude picture of me posted on the Internet. upaloopa Sep 2014 #72

In your case, you are OK with it. Cool. riqster Sep 2014 #86

I agree but there are people making money upaloopa Sep 2014 #99

Or, if it IS you, it is done with your knowledge and consent. riqster Sep 2014 #102

I don't know any but I agree upaloopa Sep 2014 #105

I have a lot of friends, of many types. riqster Sep 2014 #110

Like the Wiccan Rede upaloopa Sep 2014 #114

I miss them too. riqster Sep 2014 #116

I would care if my nude selfies were stolen el_bryanto Sep 2014 #23

I work for such a place. No nude selfies, but I scrub other things with diligence. riqster Sep 2014 #89

So what? This is like saying, "most men wouldn't care if a woman raped them." pnwmom Sep 2014 #25

If you insist on rape being the same as stolen pics, then obviously there is no difference. randome Sep 2014 #40

unlikely BuckeyeBrad Sep 2014 #54

It is like blaming people who were robbed Evergreen Emerald Sep 2014 #2

Well said. Thanks. riqster Sep 2014 #5

I disagree, you wouldn't keep anything in your wallet that you can't replace or Drale Sep 2014 #44

"Which we all know" riqster Sep 2014 #85

Or wear your wedding ring? Evergreen Emerald Sep 2014 #124

+100 smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #127

Interesting. Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #6

False construct. riqster Sep 2014 #18

How so? Orrex Sep 2014 #24

Not false: it really happened. Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #37

Let's say "inapplicable" instead, if you'd rather. riqster Sep 2014 #106

Why? Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #111

Bush most certainly does have that right. As do we all. riqster Sep 2014 #115

This is what I posted on my FB wall day before yesterday justiceischeap Sep 2014 #7

Your last point is not at all out of place. riqster Sep 2014 #14

+1,000 freshwest Sep 2014 #62

Yes. +1 cui bono Sep 2014 #179

He JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #8

Just so. In this case, nuance is used as a means to excuse sexism and misogyny. riqster Sep 2014 #11

I've noticed JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #13

Well, it was me, back when I was but a young lad in the 60's. riqster Sep 2014 #15

Nothing but a big huge JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #16

Thanks. riqster Sep 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Sep 2014 #50

From me, too, riqster. pnwmom Sep 2014 #27

Ty. riqster Sep 2014 #55

That question ann--- Sep 2014 #30

There are nude pics of me out there JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #71

Putting yourself in someone else's shoes does not require precise equivalence. riqster Sep 2014 #73

Those were not ann--- Sep 2014 #84

Health care companies use cloud storage. Very common. riqster Sep 2014 #96

And it's awesome JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #151

I have a similar job. Background checks, they interview the neighbors and go through my trash, etc. riqster Sep 2014 #186

I have A.S. JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #150

Just read about that condition. Ouch. riqster Sep 2014 #187

So if they do, then they deserve whatever humiliation befalls them? Nice shaming there. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #144

No, they don't and ann--- Sep 2014 #180

Rape is not a stolen picture fadedrose Sep 2014 #9

I did say that there was a question of degree. riqster Sep 2014 #10

Sure, in the same way that a getting paper cut is like being decapitated Orrex Sep 2014 #26

Okay then kcr Sep 2014 #42

Even if one is much worse than the other, they're both violations of consent. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #145

But that's so broad a category as to be useless Orrex Sep 2014 #157

"...should I comfort her by reminding her that at least none of her pictures were stolen?" nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #158

Okay Orrex Sep 2014 #159

The crimes are not being conflated. The moralizing,judgemental assholes are. riqster Sep 2014 #165

Yeah, I get that. Orrex Sep 2014 #167

Morality by its nature is difficult to demonstrate in a statistical or scientific manner. riqster Sep 2014 #181

Women who are raped often go on to have consensual sex with someone else. pnwmom Sep 2014 #31

I agree ann--- Sep 2014 #32

The OP does not conflate the crimes. It deals with how amoral jackasses treat the victims of crimes. riqster Sep 2014 #98

Not same thing gollygee Sep 2014 #119

+1. Excellent Rant. Glassunion Sep 2014 #12

Thank you. It's a response to some DUers who answered yesterday's OP on the topic. riqster Sep 2014 #19

I always get crap for it Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #20

I understand what you're saying. riqster Sep 2014 #21

Apple's head has now officially acknowledged that Apple was at fault, not these women. pnwmom Sep 2014 #33

It's not that simple Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #35

I think you might not have an adequate understanding of Internet security. riqster Sep 2014 #59

I think you may not have an adequate understand of Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #74

You are still blaming the victim by using the old 100% fallacy. riqster Sep 2014 #76

You're logic is pretty full of holes Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #79

Again, kindly note this key fact: APPLE HAS ASSUMED LIABILITY AND ACCEPTED BLAME. riqster Sep 2014 #80

I've not once blamed the women Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #87

When you assign partial liability (as you have repeatedly), it is blaming. riqster Sep 2014 #91

Does not negate the fact that this was a real possibility in the first place. Egnever Sep 2014 #90

Still victim blaming. See my post on the 100% fallacy. riqster Sep 2014 #93

I find your arguments so ridiculous Egnever Sep 2014 #95

Do you lock your doors? mythology Sep 2014 #104

Ah, but how often do we we see DUers trashing victims of financial hacks? Rarely. riqster Sep 2014 #107

In your mind Egnever Sep 2014 #112

No need. Just peruse this thread. riqster Sep 2014 #118

Very good point. nt F4lconF16 Sep 2014 #141

Your same reasoning in the case of rape would be like those people pnwmom Sep 2014 #81

So your advise to young women is they should go walking in dangerous neighborhoods Egnever Sep 2014 #94

What a ridiculous response. Read the OP. riqster Sep 2014 #108

The OP is ridiculous as well. Egnever Sep 2014 #109

Bollocks. Is that the best counterargument you can muster? riqster Sep 2014 #113

"How could you be so stupid?" sub.theory Sep 2014 #140

"Why is it always so different with women and sex crime?" nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #147

No, the point is that the onus of responsibility is put on the victim and not the perpetrator. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #146

What utter nonsense Egnever Sep 2014 #83

Your clearly a woman hating mysoginist Lee-Lee Sep 2014 #88

Clearly Egnever Sep 2014 #92

And so the providers are allowed to lie and cheat, riqster Sep 2014 #125

Why do you keep assigning blame to the consumer? I Egnever Sep 2014 #170

Internet firms promise consumers security. Consumers pay for this service.Providers fail to deliver. riqster Sep 2014 #182

Well maybe that is because Egnever Sep 2014 #184

That is double-standard crap, and inaccurate to boot. riqster Sep 2014 #185

Just to make it clear, Apple explicitly denies responsibility for security in the ToS. sir pball Sep 2014 #173

"only a question of degree" - well yes, but the "degree" is "orders of magnitude". nt. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #22

That's one way to rationalize it... LanternWaste Sep 2014 #34

So you don't think there is a huge difference between stealing a nude picture and rape? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #69

Clarification time: I am not conflating the crimes. riqster Sep 2014 #120

No the moral failings are not equivalent because the damage to the victim is not remotely equivalent Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #129

You are entitled to that opinion. riqster Sep 2014 #131

Except ann--- Sep 2014 #28

Not surprised you don't get it. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #46

thats like saying because you agreed to have sex with one man, another man can come by and rape you La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #52

No, it's not ann--- Sep 2014 #56

you are deliberately conflating issues. no one saying that having your naked pics distrubuted La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #58

Thanks for that post. riqster Sep 2014 #60

Maybe you need to ann--- Sep 2014 #63

Try reading the entire sentence. riqster Sep 2014 #65

But, there IS a difference ann--- Sep 2014 #68

Bull-fucking-shit. The person did not post them for public display. riqster Sep 2014 #70

yes, you are. saying the underlying principle between reactions to two events are similar La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #66

It is not even ann--- Sep 2014 #67

The photographs were not willingly posted. They were stolen. riqster Sep 2014 #188

The issue is consent. Mz Pip Sep 2014 #29

Consent is key, agreed. riqster Sep 2014 #64

Because people who behave in ways they don't approve of are just *asking* to be victimized. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #148

The law will presumably deal with this. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #36

K & R so frustrating that this has to be repeated over and over on DU of all places, frustrating and AuntPatsy Sep 2014 #39

yes, while the degree of harm to the victim is different the underlying principle of victim blaming La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #47

Well, in this case, it also includes prude shaming. boston bean Sep 2014 #97

i dont think thats prude shaming, because i am not sure that is even really a thing La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #100

I do think it exists. boston bean Sep 2014 #121

Advanced search isn't turning up the post calling you a prude for objecting LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #143

Wha?? boston bean Sep 2014 #154

as I thought. and no, when you make a claim like that I will ask for a link LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #166

Where did I say in this instance anyone called anyone a prude. boston bean Sep 2014 #174

so no one actually did what you claimed they did. thanks. n/t LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #176

Actually they do. boston bean Sep 2014 #178

The point is that victim blaming is victim blaming BuckeyeBrad Sep 2014 #51

Just so. Thanks. riqster Sep 2014 #57

Nothing to add but a thanks for writing this. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #61

Really surprised anyone is disagreeing with you abelenkpe Sep 2014 #101

Yah hey, I hear you. riqster Sep 2014 #103

But using women's bodies without their consent is only wrong when it's LeftyMom Sep 2014 #117

Nice post. riqster Sep 2014 #122

Most people are just saying it's not a good idea to take nude pictures davidn3600 Sep 2014 #123

Sigh. How many times do I have to say this: the solutions were secure. riqster Sep 2014 #126

"Secure"? You ARE aware this was on the Internet, right? WinkyDink Sep 2014 #162

And security varies widely on the Internet. riqster Sep 2014 #189

In other words: "She shouldn't have worn that skirt." sub.theory Sep 2014 #135

That's not what im saying at all davidn3600 Sep 2014 #136

Your "solution" is for women to not express themselves in a manner that might "provoke" a man. riqster Sep 2014 #138

This is about blaming the victim sub.theory Sep 2014 #139

The point is that you're focusing entirely on the victims' actions and not the perpetrators. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #149

Who's saying the hacker isn't to blame? davidn3600 Sep 2014 #155

I'm sure at least a few folks will think twice now before they "upload [their] nude pictures to nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #156

You are wrong. It is to say, take what damn photos you want; who GAF? Just BE AWARE and NOT WinkyDink Sep 2014 #163

You're not getting it sub.theory Sep 2014 #172

What if a man's nude pics are stolen? phil89 Sep 2014 #128

Blaming him for both? Of course it's morally equivalent. riqster Sep 2014 #130

So it's worse to blame a woman phil89 Sep 2014 #132

Re-take your logic 101 class. I know that trick. riqster Sep 2014 #137

Somebody better tell Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin they weren't oppressed. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #152

Point. I shall edit. riqster Sep 2014 #160

What about Anthony Weiner? Was he 'raped' when his selfie was revealed? randome Sep 2014 #168

Once again: the OP does not conflate the crimes. Just the assholishness that goes with judging. riqster Sep 2014 #169

It's always the women's fault, it goes back to Eve giving Adam a bite of the apple. dem in texas Sep 2014 #133

I agree with you sub.theory Sep 2014 #134

I think there is a difference frustrated_lefty Sep 2014 #161

Exactly - storing sensitive data online should be a known risk, regardless of what the data is. sir pball Sep 2014 #175

This is incorrect: riqster Sep 2014 #190

Blaming people for crimes inflicted on them by another person or persons MineralMan Sep 2014 #164

Just so. riqster Sep 2014 #183