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In reply to the discussion: Hillary: Kissinger Stands Up for American Values [View all]wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)13. Praising Kissinger is bad, yes. But David Corn?
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Zounds! Sink me!
Two whole weeks have gone by without David Corn and Mother Jones attacking Hillary Clinton!
No mistake, Henry Kissinger is barely human, and has a lot of human blood and misery on his hands. He shouldn't be praised. Kissinger should have spent the last 40 years in prison for war crimes and crimes against humanity. But this criticism by David Corn is curious, given who Corn chooses to hobnob with.
David Corn is happy to sit on the set of Hardball with Chris Matthews. The same Chris Matthews who was personally hired by Jack Welch of General Electric, which owned NBC. Jack Welch pioneered "downsizing," firing 10% of managers every year, regardless of overall performance. And he cut over 25% of the workforce within 5 years. At MSNBC, Welch hired Irish Catholic men who all hewed the Republican line, and they went to work praising all things GOP. In the 2000 election, when a reporter submitted a neutral piece on Gore, Welch went to MSNBC and personality and publicly fired her, yelling and screaming at her throughout the episode.
Once at MSNBC, Chris Matthews spent 5 years attacking Democrats and fawning over Republicans. During the 2000 election, he said that Al Gore "would lick the bathroom floor" to become president over 25 times in 2 months; he mocked everything about Gore, and repeated Republicans' lines with glee. Of course, nearly the entire Washington Press Corps told lies about Gore and failed to report on the record of Bush as governor of Texas. In an interview Matthews once said that "I hate the Clintons and everything they stand for." Matthews fawns over Ronald Reagan and attacks anyone who differs with him on this view.
This is the man that Corn chooses to sit across from. Calmly smiling, Corn also laughs at Matthews' attempts at humor. Even this week, as Matthews calls for all out war against ISIS, because they've killed Americans.
As I see the people who say that they will never vote for Hillary Clinton, I wonder what this is based on. Clinton was one of many Democratic senators who voted for the resolution giving Bush the authority to use force in Iraq.
An authority that Bush and every one of his administration officials said would never be used, as long as the inspectors continued their work. As a US senator, I doubt that anyone thought an American president would ever start a war. They and the American citizenry were told that the resolution was needed just to show the world that the US was united in wanting Iraq to give up its chemical and biological weapons.
Did Hillary Clinton know that Bush, having secured that authorization would promptly kick out the weapons inspectors and conduct a full scale invasion and occupation of Iraq? There is no evidence to support that conclusion.
And if you sit out this midterm election, and the 2016 election, then you have failed to perform even the most basic of democratic duties. If you want a nominee other than Clinton, you can join the party, or you can work to build a new one. But if the 2016 election is a close one, and the choice is Clinton or a Republican, and no 3rd party candidate is close, then you may want to remember the country under the Bush administration. Then vote.
For president, my state is safely blue, so I have the luxury of voting for the Green Party candidates. For those in toss up states, remember how great it was to have President Al Gore.
Two whole weeks have gone by without David Corn and Mother Jones attacking Hillary Clinton!
No mistake, Henry Kissinger is barely human, and has a lot of human blood and misery on his hands. He shouldn't be praised. Kissinger should have spent the last 40 years in prison for war crimes and crimes against humanity. But this criticism by David Corn is curious, given who Corn chooses to hobnob with.
David Corn is happy to sit on the set of Hardball with Chris Matthews. The same Chris Matthews who was personally hired by Jack Welch of General Electric, which owned NBC. Jack Welch pioneered "downsizing," firing 10% of managers every year, regardless of overall performance. And he cut over 25% of the workforce within 5 years. At MSNBC, Welch hired Irish Catholic men who all hewed the Republican line, and they went to work praising all things GOP. In the 2000 election, when a reporter submitted a neutral piece on Gore, Welch went to MSNBC and personality and publicly fired her, yelling and screaming at her throughout the episode.
Once at MSNBC, Chris Matthews spent 5 years attacking Democrats and fawning over Republicans. During the 2000 election, he said that Al Gore "would lick the bathroom floor" to become president over 25 times in 2 months; he mocked everything about Gore, and repeated Republicans' lines with glee. Of course, nearly the entire Washington Press Corps told lies about Gore and failed to report on the record of Bush as governor of Texas. In an interview Matthews once said that "I hate the Clintons and everything they stand for." Matthews fawns over Ronald Reagan and attacks anyone who differs with him on this view.
This is the man that Corn chooses to sit across from. Calmly smiling, Corn also laughs at Matthews' attempts at humor. Even this week, as Matthews calls for all out war against ISIS, because they've killed Americans.
As I see the people who say that they will never vote for Hillary Clinton, I wonder what this is based on. Clinton was one of many Democratic senators who voted for the resolution giving Bush the authority to use force in Iraq.
An authority that Bush and every one of his administration officials said would never be used, as long as the inspectors continued their work. As a US senator, I doubt that anyone thought an American president would ever start a war. They and the American citizenry were told that the resolution was needed just to show the world that the US was united in wanting Iraq to give up its chemical and biological weapons.
Did Hillary Clinton know that Bush, having secured that authorization would promptly kick out the weapons inspectors and conduct a full scale invasion and occupation of Iraq? There is no evidence to support that conclusion.
And if you sit out this midterm election, and the 2016 election, then you have failed to perform even the most basic of democratic duties. If you want a nominee other than Clinton, you can join the party, or you can work to build a new one. But if the 2016 election is a close one, and the choice is Clinton or a Republican, and no 3rd party candidate is close, then you may want to remember the country under the Bush administration. Then vote.
For president, my state is safely blue, so I have the luxury of voting for the Green Party candidates. For those in toss up states, remember how great it was to have President Al Gore.
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Yup, right on the money; Corn has Hillary pegged. Time for Hillary to exit stage right.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2014
#101
I think the lowest she has gone was when she gave up her integrity to George Bush, The Dim-Son.
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#111
Nope, I'm right there with you. Nominating and electing Hillary will be a disaster for this country, mark my words.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2014
#104
Chris Matthews has issues...but appearing on his show is worse than praising a war criminal?
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#16
Does what you think about Corn as a person mean HRC's endorsement of Kissinger doesn't matter?
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#26
Are we going to keep going around in this circle? Are you even reading my posts?
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#27
Ken, this guy has a very solid history of circle jerking strawman, I think he was in diapers
2banon
Sep 2014
#171
show me, in the discussion between Ken Burch and myself, the topic you're obsessed with?
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#65
dude, Ken and I were discussing whether I though this book review from HRC was a bad thing.
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#76
Of course you covered it, you were the one who posted the words that I quoted
Bjorn Against
Sep 2014
#79
If you'll look at the conversation, him and I never cover that. BUT... and this is a big one...
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#80
We are not talking about a prior thread, we are talking about this thread and the words you posted
Bjorn Against
Sep 2014
#85
You are obsessed with the happenstance that David Corn happened to write this.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#64
several have written commentaries on it. None took the insidious tone of Corn's
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#78
and, like a true hypocrite, he'll be singing HRC's praises this time next year
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#83
He might endorse her as the lesser-evil AFTER the convention...NOT in Sept 2015("a year from now").
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#100
How about pledging not to vote for any politician who was previously a Republican...
Cali_Democrat
Sep 2014
#116
He's denouncing Corn because he thinks Corn's authorship of the link discredits the story.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#86
Forgive us if we missed your point. Seems to me like you were saying that H. Clinton-Sachs is
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#113
Wow. CNN revived Cross Fire and Van Jones is co hosting the show with Newt Gingrich???!!!!
2banon
Sep 2014
#168
Shows you how desperate they are to overlook Hillary's many shortcomings. We can do better.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2014
#105
What does your dislike of David Corn have to do with this particular article on H. Clinton-Sachs?
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#112
The harder people try to rebrand H. Clinton the worse it gets. She is a war hawk that was happy to
rhett o rick
Sep 2014
#125
"As a US senator, I doubt that anyone thought an American president would ever start a war."
OnyxCollie
Sep 2014
#167
Are we getting a glimpse at one of the real Powers That Be behind the scenes.
A Simple Game
Sep 2014
#20
so praising someone means "AGREEING with everything he ever did. And endorsing all of it. "
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#33
I said praising Kissinger, not praising anyone at all. The point applies in some other cases, too.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#40
ok, it only applies to them. Wait - anyone else you want to add to your expanding list?
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#55
I have a completely valid point. Who can we praise without it being an endorsement?
wyldwolf
Sep 2014
#63
I'd like to see Kissinger visit Argentina where he greenlighted the Dirty War. He's a war criminal--
Louisiana1976
Sep 2014
#28
If I remember correctly, there are a lot of places Kissinger can no longer travel
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2014
#71
Sen Sanders said on the Thom Hartmann show today that he is considering running.
cui bono
Sep 2014
#48
This is the real true Hillary. Good luck! I'll bring flowers to the Democratic party funeral. RIP
L0oniX
Sep 2014
#47
Now that Madam is a disqualifying statment. I'm pretty amazed she made it seems like a slip
Exultant Democracy
Sep 2014
#135
She's naive if that's what she said and thinks. It's appalling. I may not vote for her regardless
YOHABLO
Sep 2014
#136
Surely we can do better than a warmonger, Wall Street corporatist like Hillary.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2014
#156
That statement guarantees protests if she or a surrogate visit my town in MISSOURI!
loyalsister
Sep 2014
#153
"I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state"...Jiminy Crickets!! To
LoisB
Sep 2014
#165
I'm getting an uneasy feeling that maybe the 1% WANTS Dem's to lose to the GOP in 2016. Maybe
blkmusclmachine
Sep 2014
#174
If Kissinger stands for "American Values" then we're in deep shit because our
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#177