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Ken Burch

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96. In the first place, I SAID Kissinger...not the entire human race.

Fri Sep 5, 2014, 10:42 PM

Sep 2014

You were the one who dishonestly turned it into a question as to whether you could praise anyone at all without agreeing with all that that person said...which is totally different than what I was saying. And which you KNOW is totally different than what I was saying.

Kissinger is nothing but evil...and this thread is just about Kissinger, and HRC's support of him(which is what the quote Corn used in HRC's review meant). There's no difference between praising a Nuremburg-grade war criminal's book on foreign policy and praising the war crimes themselves. What HRC did here is not harmless "get-along to go-along" political schmoozing. It's not dismissable and it's not inadmissable.

It's not as if what I've applied to Kissinger here HAS to apply to everybody else or can't apply to anyone at all. I then simply extended it to a few other loathesome people.

No inconsistency there.

And it doesn't MATTER who the person is who told us about it. The story is the same, no matter the source.

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Hillary: Kissinger Stands Up for American Values [View all] markpkessinger Sep 2014 OP

Kissinger Stands Up for American Values? About as much as Dick Cheney Autumn Sep 2014 #1

Corn's last paragraph says it all . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #2

So Very True... Love David Corn... n/t ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #9

Yup, right on the money; Corn has Hillary pegged. Time for Hillary to exit stage right. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #101

I think the lowest she has gone was when she gave up her integrity to George Bush, The Dim-Son. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #111

And this is who I'm supposed to unquestionly Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #3

It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #103

Please Hillary, stop making it impossible for me to vote for you. enough Sep 2014 #4

+1 trumad Sep 2014 #5

She's certainly making it harder and harder for me to vote for her! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2014 #6

I'm wondering if it may be a cry for help. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2014 #10

Lol if you were making a joke. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #12

Please Hillary keep being honest so we won't vote for you. morningfog Sep 2014 #90

Yup. That's where I'm at! FiveGoodMen Sep 2014 #131

This times a googolplex. hifiguy Sep 2014 #149

Amen.... daleanime Sep 2014 #137

She did that for me a long time ago (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2014 #144

That is disgusting. Kissinger is an amoral scumbag. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #7

WOW, The Crap Just Keeps Rolling Along! ChiciB1 Sep 2014 #8

Nope, I'm right there with you. Nominating and electing Hillary will be a disaster for this country, mark my words. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #104

Oh you're definitely are not alone PatSeg Sep 2014 #133

Kissinger, the Evil Undead. scarletwoman Sep 2014 #11

+10000000000.... bread_and_roses Sep 2014 #145

Praising Kissinger is bad, yes. But David Corn? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #13

Chris Matthews has issues...but appearing on his show is worse than praising a war criminal? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #16

did anyone say it was worse? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #17

Not comparable at all. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #21

Completely comparable. Corn is a hypocrite. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #25

Does what you think about Corn as a person mean HRC's endorsement of Kissinger doesn't matter? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #26

Are we going to keep going around in this circle? Are you even reading my posts? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #27

I read your post. Chris Matthews is NOT comparable to Henry Kissinger. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #36

Apparently you didn't because you had to ask that silly question: wyldwolf Sep 2014 #39

This is a delusional set of posts DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #43

and that is a delusional reply wyldwolf Sep 2014 #46

Again, Corn doesn't matter here. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #54

Says who? Of course he matters. He wrote the piece in the OP. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #57

Corn isn't the one who may run for the presidency. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #102

You have an indefensible argument Scootaloo Sep 2014 #119

an unfathomable amount of cognitive dissonance frylock Sep 2014 #150

No it doesn't Ken Burch Sep 2014 #44

Yes it does wyldwolf Sep 2014 #51

Even if Corn was a hypocrite, he doesn't matter. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #56

Of course it matters. He wrote the piece in the OP. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #59

Here you are again, further along in the thread and still making ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #73

Ken, this guy has a very solid history of circle jerking strawman, I think he was in diapers 2banon Sep 2014 #171

Post 13 clearly stated that no one thought Bush would go to war Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #49

psst! that's not what me and KenBurch are discussing. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #52

I have froth on my lips? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #62

show me, in the discussion between Ken Burch and myself, the topic you're obsessed with? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #65

I already quoted it for you directly Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #74

dude, Ken and I were discussing whether I though this book review from HRC was a bad thing. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #76

Of course you covered it, you were the one who posted the words that I quoted Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #79

If you'll look at the conversation, him and I never cover that. BUT... and this is a big one... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #80

We are not talking about a prior thread, we are talking about this thread and the words you posted Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #85

Whatever, man. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #87

You are obsessed with the happenstance that David Corn happened to write this. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #64

You think it's a happenstance that David Corn happened to write this? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #68

If Corn hadn't written that, someone else would have. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #75

several have written commentaries on it. None took the insidious tone of Corn's wyldwolf Sep 2014 #78

It IS insidious. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #81

and, like a true hypocrite, he'll be singing HRC's praises this time next year wyldwolf Sep 2014 #83

He might endorse her as the lesser-evil AFTER the convention...NOT in Sept 2015("a year from now"). Ken Burch Sep 2014 #100

Your circle.... pocoloco Sep 2014 #175

Let's both take a pledge. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #115

How about pledging not to vote for any politician who was previously a Republican... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #116

Like a Goldwater girl? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #117

OK....Deal? Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #118

Not the same thing. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #120

Why are you talking about Corn here when Hillary, and what she has ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #69

He's denouncing Corn because he thinks Corn's authorship of the link discredits the story. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #86

Forgive us if we missed your point. Seems to me like you were saying that H. Clinton-Sachs is rhett o rick Sep 2014 #113

Wow. CNN revived Cross Fire and Van Jones is co hosting the show with Newt Gingrich???!!!! 2banon Sep 2014 #168

It's been on for awhile now, and Van's doing just fine. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #169

I don't do cable or sat.. wasn't aware.. 2banon Sep 2014 #172

"I doubt that anyone thought an American president would ever start a war"? arcane1 Sep 2014 #34

Whoever wrote that is extremely ignorant Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #38

Praising Kissinger is bad yes, so let's attack the messenger!!! cui bono Sep 2014 #45

Yes indeed. The Distractivists are out in force. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #58

Shows you how desperate they are to overlook Hillary's many shortcomings. We can do better. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #105

Well said... Perseus Sep 2014 #98

I live in California, and have no intention of voting for Clinton.. frylock Sep 2014 #152

I can make this argument simple Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #109

What does your dislike of David Corn have to do with this particular article on H. Clinton-Sachs? rhett o rick Sep 2014 #112

He thinks that the fact that Corn is friendly with Chris Matthews Ken Burch Sep 2014 #121

The harder people try to rebrand H. Clinton the worse it gets. She is a war hawk that was happy to rhett o rick Sep 2014 #125

Can you spell "ad hominem"? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #126

Deflect fail, since Corn is not running for President (n/t) bread_and_roses Sep 2014 #143

Nice deflection. EEO Sep 2014 #164

"As a US senator, I doubt that anyone thought an American president would ever start a war." OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #167

I guess we are seeing exactly whose ass POTUS candidates need to kiss 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #14

'Scuse me a sec... Fearless Sep 2014 #15

Hillary has become performance art. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #18

LOL -- perfect! markpkessinger Sep 2014 #23

Could he be more obvious? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #53

Haha! Perfect! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #77

Pshaw... it's like observing that water is wet MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #89

Well Mark, if only she was standing up for truedelphi Sep 2014 #19

Are we getting a glimpse at one of the real Powers That Be behind the scenes. A Simple Game Sep 2014 #20

I don't think... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #32

I think you may be right. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2014 #61

Yup. Like Bonasera and Vito RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #95

Perfect. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2014 #122

Both Bonasera and Hillary honor "The Family" in their own special way. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #124

Kissenger and Cheney deserve nothing but scorn and prosecution. JEB Sep 2014 #22

Politicians never praise other politicians MyNameGoesHere Sep 2014 #24

This isn't about a politician praising another politician. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #29

so praising someone means "AGREEING with everything he ever did. And endorsing all of it. " wyldwolf Sep 2014 #33

I said praising Kissinger, not praising anyone at all. The point applies in some other cases, too. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #40

so your statement ONLY applies to Kissinger? mmmm... k! (snicker) wyldwolf Sep 2014 #42

It also applies to Nixon and Reagan, Ollie North, Lt. Calley Ken Burch Sep 2014 #50

ok, it only applies to them. Wait - anyone else you want to add to your expanding list? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #55

You don't have any valid point here. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #60

I have a completely valid point. Who can we praise without it being an endorsement? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #63

You can praise people who have done at least as much good as harm. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #66

Thanks! Now, who's the judge of this good vs. harm ratio? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #70

History: Ken Burch Sep 2014 #88

so your list shrinks to only include Kissinger again. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #91

You're making no meaningful point here. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #93

Sure I am wyldwolf Sep 2014 #94

In the first place, I SAID Kissinger...not the entire human race. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #96

Politicians, much like you did right here MyNameGoesHere Sep 2014 #123

You forgot the sarcasm thingy. blackspade Sep 2014 #35

Agreed. I'm no apologist for Reagan's actions. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #72

hmm, wasn't what obama praised Bodhi BloodWave Sep 2014 #129

I'd like to see Kissinger visit Argentina where he greenlighted the Dirty War. He's a war criminal-- Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #28

If I remember correctly, there are a lot of places Kissinger can no longer travel RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #71

Are you fucking kidding me? blackspade Sep 2014 #30

K&R for EXPOSURE! ReRe Sep 2014 #31

I lived as an adult through the Nixon scandals ... DrBulldog Sep 2014 #37

Sen Sanders said on the Thom Hartmann show today that he is considering running. cui bono Sep 2014 #48

Bernie is also visiting Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2014 #157

Dear Hillary, JEB Sep 2014 #41

This is the real true Hillary. Good luck! I'll bring flowers to the Democratic party funeral. RIP L0oniX Sep 2014 #47

Seriously? People are surprised at this? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #67

Check it out. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #82

fb�k elehhhhna Sep 2014 #84

Isn't this about the time the American people get setup? Phlem Sep 2014 #92

Actually...he does. Barack_America Sep 2014 #97

I am not ever voting for her, even if she is the nominee. alarimer Sep 2014 #99

Like war, I guess. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #106

War is PEACE. yaknow... Dragonfli Sep 2014 #107

Come now. Be fair! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #108

Is she trying to piss me off? CanonRay Sep 2014 #110

No surprise from someone who voted for the Iraq war. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #114

Is she TRYING to Not fredamae Sep 2014 #127

I don't know why this would surpise anyone. 99Forever Sep 2014 #128

WooHoo! Hillary/Kissinger 2014 progressoid Sep 2014 #130

what BS!!!! heaven05 Sep 2014 #132

Christopher Hitchens on The Case Against Henry Kissinger (2001) antigop Sep 2014 #134

Now that Madam is a disqualifying statment. I'm pretty amazed she made it seems like a slip Exultant Democracy Sep 2014 #135

Hillary lost it WAY before that knock on the head. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #154

She's naive if that's what she said and thinks. It's appalling. I may not vote for her regardless YOHABLO Sep 2014 #136

Kissinger Much worst than Putin Billy Budd Sep 2014 #138

If those values are war, war, and more war, then yes he does. Initech Sep 2014 #139

The dilemma (for me at least) ymetca Sep 2014 #140

Hillary Clinton: The Consummate Opportunist radicalliberal Sep 2014 #141

But not surprising, Hillary kissin up to Kissinger. Yuck! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #155

How about double "Yuck!" or make that a triple? (See below.) radicalliberal Sep 2014 #160

Kiss... Quote Billy Budd Sep 2014 #142

I suppose that's appropriate... americannightmare Sep 2014 #146

good luck with your candidate, democrats.. frylock Sep 2014 #147

Surely we can do better than a warmonger, Wall Street corporatist like Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #156

+10000 MissDeeds Sep 2014 #161

Truer words were never spoken. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #179

That may be the most sickening thing I have hifiguy Sep 2014 #148

I think she ann--- Sep 2014 #151

That statement guarantees protests if she or a surrogate visit my town in MISSOURI! loyalsister Sep 2014 #153

Jeezus. Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #158

OMG MissDeeds Sep 2014 #159

WTF????? OldRedneck Sep 2014 #162

Haven't you ever heard of a "Kissinger Democrat" before? eShirl Sep 2014 #163

"I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state"...Jiminy Crickets!! To LoisB Sep 2014 #165

One of many saving graces of living in New York, pangaia Sep 2014 #166

really Hillary? rbrnmw Sep 2014 #170

ABH. Ilsa Sep 2014 #173

I'm getting an uneasy feeling that maybe the 1% WANTS Dem's to lose to the GOP in 2016. Maybe blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #174

She appears to be trolling again. cpwm17 Sep 2014 #176

If Kissinger stands for "American Values" then we're in deep shit because our Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #177

Blech ... just blech ... eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2014 #178