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nationalize the fed

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17. Flow battery
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

A flow battery is a type of rechargeable battery where rechargeability is provided by two chemical components dissolved in liquids contained within the system and separated by a membrane. Ion exchange (providing flow of electrical current) occurs through the membrane while both liquids circulate in their own respective space. Cell voltage is chemically determined by the Nernst equation and ranges, in practical applications, from 1.0 to 2.2 Volts.

A flow battery is technically akin both to a fuel cell and an electrochemical accumulator cell (electrochemical reversibility). While it has technical advantages such as potentially separable liquid tanks and near unlimited longevity over most conventional rechargeables, current implementations are comparatively less powerful and require more sophisticated electronics.

REDOX

The redox (reduction-oxidation) cell is a reversible fuel cell in which all electrochemical components are dissolved in the electrolyte. The energy capacity of the redox flow battery is fully independent of its power, because the energy available is related to the electrolyte volume (amount of liquid electrolyte) and the power to the surface area of the electrodes. Redox flow batteries are rechargeable (secondary cells). Because they employ heterogeneous electron transfer rather than solid-state diffusion or intercalation they are more appropriately called fuel cells than batteries.

In industrial practice, fuel cells are usually, and unnecessarily, considered to be primary cells, such as the H2O 2 system. The unitized regenerative fuel cell on NASA's Helios Prototype is another reversible fuel cell. The European Patent Organisation classifies redox flow cells as a sub-class of regenerative fuel cells. Examples of redox flow batteries are the vanadium redox flow battery, polysulfide bromide battery (Regenesys), and uranium redox flow battery. Redox fuel cells are less common commercially although many systems have been proposed
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"Car tech will change more in the next 10 years than since the car was invented" -VP of Toyota, which is introducing a fuel cell vehicle next year



And Honda, with a traditional fuel cell:



"Fool Cellers" will have the last laugh. People shouldn't slime tech they know nothing about.

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Sweet. New tech is always expensive. Glassunion Sep 2014 #1
Just great. There goes the Oceans...fill 'er up at the nearest wharf. Kidding. Sounds libdem4life Sep 2014 #2
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. But I'll check it out. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #3
Agreed, I would need a little more detail before passing judgement. arcane1 Sep 2014 #4
I don't see Elon musk trembling in his Cole Haan's yet... Agschmid Sep 2014 #8
All it needs is a flux capacitor. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #10
It uses lithium-sulfur salt solutions, not exactly the "saltwater" most people think of. hunter Sep 2014 #5
It sounds like what I would refer to rock Sep 2014 #40
That's vanadium salts ... not cheap sea salt ... recharged by electricity. eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #6
I have a question, how could one clean these "wiskers" or keep them from forming in the first place? Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #12
That, of course, is the billion-dollar question ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2014 #14
Just send me 3% royalty checks for sparking and inspiring your creative juices. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #23
Kicking for gearheads. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #7
If I may, my head has titanium screws, not gears. Four or Six of them, I've forgotten. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #9
Dang! littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #11
This one right here: NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #24
Love it! littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #27
Yes, Steampunk! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #30
Gotta get me one of those!!! steelsmith Sep 2014 #42
Come to think of it, I have two of them in my jaw. Thor_MN Sep 2014 #34
Just wait for me, littlemissmartypants, I'm coming. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #15
Thanks for that. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #16
how much per month if I stretch it out to a seven year loan? n/t indie9197 Sep 2014 #13
Human or dog years? littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #18
If you got a 1.7 million dollar loan at 8% amortized for seven years, your monthly payments Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #20
What if Sugar Mama was a real super hero? littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #22
That depends on how much sugar, Sugar Mama has. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #25
Perfect. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #28
Flow battery nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #17
I think fuel cell technology is very interesting. I will never slam or slime it. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #19
Thanks for your post, nationalize the fed, this sounds fascinating. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #29
source nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #31
Kicketty. Kick. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #21
The oil industry will buy this company ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #26
the thing about hydrogen- nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #32
It's called ... aggiesal Sep 2014 #35
At that AC transit station, those solar panels aren't really doing much. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #45
No, the thing about hydrogen jeff47 Sep 2014 #46
Toyota, Hyundai, Honda, GM and Mercedes have all figured out how to store H2 nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #47
It can be stored for a time. It leaks. jeff47 Sep 2014 #52
There's no way Republicans... 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Sep 2014 #33
I see Teslas all the time. Calista241 Sep 2014 #44
Why can't all cars look this good? BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #36
0.4 feet long! Easy to park too! muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #37
That's the most bizarre Metric/English conversion ever! kentauros Sep 2014 #51
Highly unlikely MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #38
But this one goes to 11. Orrex Sep 2014 #39
Watch out....I quoted Spinal Tap to Manny in a prior thread...and got hid!!! nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #43
Probably got trodden on hifiguy Sep 2014 #49
Seriosly doubt steelsmith Sep 2014 #41
Ferrari and Porsche hifiguy Sep 2014 #48
This will never see the light of day. The oil companies will quickly buy this up and shelf it 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #50
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