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1StrongBlackMan

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33. I am saying that the US Government has been spying for corporate interests ...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 09:53 AM
Sep 2014

since we developed the capability to intercept electronic communications ... even before. Nations (including the U.S.) have been collecting economic intelligence of its trading "partners" to gain competitive advantage(s) since the being of trade ... when its done overtly, it's called "economic research", when it's done covertly, it's called "economic espionage."

The only difference(s) here is: 1) the use of 21st century technology; and 2) the disclosure was by GG.

Is that clear enough?

BTW, I am not endorsing the U.S. government's activity; but I have my feet in the real world enough to realize that this conduct can be used for "national good" or "national evil" ... as such, it is, what it is ... we, therefore, enjoy/tolerate the fruits, when done for "good" and punish it when it's found to be "evil" (or, just when it comes to light).

BTWW, I see what you did there (as will all informed posters to this site) ... "I have no idea what your point is; but every informed soul just knows ..." Well, I suggest, your understanding of "informed" is heavily influenced by who said what, and whether it lines up with your position.

Further, it amazes me that some are completely capable of connecting the most improbable data points, when fed by someone they support, and/or, it feeds their pre-held positions; but can't seem to apply commonsense (even to the point of rejecting commonly known information), when doing so would reduce their position to "nothing new." In this case, GG has over the course of the last few years, been disclosing stuff that the government has been doing for decades, and we get all upset; but for someone to point out that the government has been doing it for centuries is blasphemous.

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Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #1
I wonder if THIS is the big fireworks show Greenwald promised the world.... Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #6
On your view, exposing that the NSA currently does economic espionage of the sort it has denied Vattel Sep 2014 #8
Whether or not the NSA denies it is not the point of the person I replied to Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #9
"Recycled information". By that logic... Marr Sep 2014 #11
exactly Vattel Sep 2014 #24
This is more like... Chan790 Sep 2014 #44
Really? Someone throws up a pretty link, and suddenly you say we have a hundred year old story DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #12
What are you talking about? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #14
No, "repackaged supposition" would be the last part of that post I'd edit DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #15
What??? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #19
I'm talking about someone who is not you. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #20
Okayyy ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #22
Seriously didn't you get the memo? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #17
I like pictures too DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #21
Your links don't even talk about economic espionage. So how are Greenwald's revelations old news? Vattel Sep 2014 #25
Economic espionage... Historic NY Sep 2014 #27
Of course they do Vattel Sep 2014 #29
Are you suggesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #30
I have no idea what your point is supposed to be. Vattel Sep 2014 #32
I am saying that the US Government has been spying for corporate interests ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #33
You were trying to suggest that Greenwald is not telling us anything significant. Vattel Sep 2014 #34
No, I'm not saying that .. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #35
So your point is only that what he has revealed has happened before. Vattel Sep 2014 #38
exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #40
I don't even like Greenwald, but I really hate Obama boot-licking. Vattel Sep 2014 #41
Yeah ... Right-O ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #43
Enough with the "I'm not endorsing it" horseshit. Marr Sep 2014 #37
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #39
Surprise. This is exactly what happens when "national defense" gets decided upon DirkGently Sep 2014 #2
I somewhat agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #16
Who cares what the motivation? nt elias49 Sep 2014 #26
Only those that wish to solve the problem of governmental spying. eom 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #31
I have wondered if the only purpose of our computers Trillo Sep 2014 #3
We've all been profiled by sites we visit, people we email. Nazi Germany would have loved the inter- blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #4
''What we do not do, as we have said many times...'' Octafish Sep 2014 #5
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K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #10
color me shocked rbrnmw Sep 2014 #13
Try a decade ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #23
K&R for exposure. JEB Sep 2014 #28
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