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60. What if Trayvon were female instead?

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:59 PM

Apr 2012

A 17 year old girl is walking around a development where she is visiting friends. Some guy starts following her in a car. She starts walking faster to get away from him. He gets out of his car and starts following her on foot. What would this teenage girl think? This man reaches up to her and starts taunting and making lewd remarks to her as he approaches. The girl gives him a swift kick to the groin. Now, remember she attacks HIM first. He grabs her but she continues kicking him. Can he claim SYG and shoot her? After all, she attacked him first?

If you reverse the genders in this case, maybe you understand the situation better. I will admit, though, that it really shouldn't matter. A teenage boy has just as much of a right to protect himself as a teenage girl.

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We don't know if Zimmerman is guilty [View all] Vattel Apr 2012 OP

We also know that Zimmy was told to not follow Trayvon, but he did. At what point did it become uppityperson Apr 2012 #1

We don't even know that to any high degree of certainty. Vattel Apr 2012 #11

Was he killed at his truck? If not, then he followed Trayvon. uppityperson Apr 2012 #27

How do you know he continued to follow the boy? Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #19

timeline of events by witnesses TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #37

So where was Zimmerman talking to dispatch in relation to the death? Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #61

Actually, he wasn't told that. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #70

+1 Oneka Apr 2012 #73

Does a 911 dispatcher have the legal authority to give orders to people? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2012 #82

In some jurisdictions, yes obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #84

No. ermoore Apr 2012 #96

In MN a 911 dispatcher is a police person. jwirr Apr 2012 #105

I don't know the answer shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #98

Martin has the right to stand his ground too HockeyMom Apr 2012 #2

Boy, that is a good point Cosmocat Apr 2012 #23

+1000 for the first sentence. -1000 for the rest (which is garbage). eqfan592 Apr 2012 #72

+1000 guitar man Apr 2012 #38

yes arely staircase Apr 2012 #56

Actually, when you are in public SATIRical Apr 2012 #80

As a female, that is dispicable HockeyMom Apr 2012 #81

Actually, yes, he can SATIRical Apr 2012 #83

It's not legally stalking, but they can't do that obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #86

Yes we do. Zimmerman cut him off at an impasse by Zimmerman's testimony. vaberella Apr 2012 #90

Where is there evidence Zimmerman did the confronting? SATIRical Apr 2012 #91

And we certainly don�t know who initiated the violence? Please child, Bless your heart, no one is Vincardog Apr 2012 #3

We do know Politicalboi Apr 2012 #4

No, he was NOT told to stop following Martin. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #74

We have a pretty damned good idea. MineralMan Apr 2012 #5

What theories? Vattel Apr 2012 #9

And if you are still here as well tkmorris Apr 2012 #99

Why was Zimmerman outside of his car? livetohike Apr 2012 #6

Based on the 911 call, it seems likely he followed him because he thought he might be a burglar. Vattel Apr 2012 #16

Zimmerman thinks he's guilty. randome Apr 2012 #7

But, there is definitely enough for an arrest... lame54 Apr 2012 #8

I agree. Vattel Apr 2012 #12

I think Zimmerman initiated the confrontation and tried to detain Trayvon.Which makes him the.... Logical Apr 2012 #10

Why do you think that he tried to detain Martin? Are you guessing? Vattel Apr 2012 #13

Because Zimmerman, based on past things he has done, seems like a.... Logical Apr 2012 #15

That's a pretty thin basis for your conclusion. Vattel Apr 2012 #17

Well, I don't either. The issue is that without witnesses we only have Zimmermans story to go on. Logical Apr 2012 #18

Why have you been defending him since this whole thing started? Does it do something for you? K Gardner Apr 2012 #14

His Vested Interest, Ma'am, Is Still Being Able To Carry a Gun In Hope Of Getting To Shoot Someone The Magistrate Apr 2012 #21

Exactly the sort of pretending to know things that bothers me. Vattel Apr 2012 #25

You Act, Sir, Like You Have No Record Of Posting Here.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #28

+1000 K Gardner Apr 2012 #31

Lol, so you divine my gun fantasies from earlier posts. Vattel Apr 2012 #34

Words Are A Window To the Soul, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #43

Wow, what an incredible thing to say. Vattel Apr 2012 #47

Here Till Thursday, Sir: Be Sure And Try the Veal.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #54

Juror #4 (me) voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Geeze ...call the Wambulance L0oniX Apr 2012 #79

I am not really defending him since for all I know he is a murderer. Vattel Apr 2012 #22

I think your Gig is up here, Vattel. Seriously. You can probably stop now. n/t K Gardner Apr 2012 #33

I know he didn't have a broken nose obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #89

I've wondered the same thing. Ineeda Apr 2012 #24

Not every post anyway. Vattel Apr 2012 #52

In my view Aerows Apr 2012 #20

but bigapple Apr 2012 #29

But that isn't what happened Aerows Apr 2012 #35

ok bigapple Apr 2012 #40

It depends Aerows Apr 2012 #53

Mindset. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #58

Who initiated contact and who continued it after 9/11 asked him to not to pursue? The Straight Story Apr 2012 #26

Damn straight Aerows Apr 2012 #36

this type of shit reminds me of wingnuts saying about evolution and other things JI7 Apr 2012 #30

WHy did Zimmerman lie about the broken nose and claiming he was the one screaming help JI7 Apr 2012 #32

How do you know his nose was not broken? Vattel Apr 2012 #39

lack of medical records and the video shortly after the shooting JI7 Apr 2012 #44

Medical records, Oneka Apr 2012 #68

Look \at his mug shot shown in another thread. Nose looks OK, n't RebelOne Apr 2012 #62

I don't beleive that Oneka Apr 2012 #69

Please PLEASE stop responding to him. It's what he wants. n/t K Gardner Apr 2012 #42

Actually I find it very unpleasant. Vattel Apr 2012 #48

The special prosecutor must know the answer countingbluecars Apr 2012 #41

^^^^THIS^^^^ HangOnKids Apr 2012 #46

I agree that this changes things. Vattel Apr 2012 #49

Impersonating an officer of the law ... orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #77

Hopefully the Zimmerman Lynch Mob will calm down now and let the wheels of justice turn. MNBrewer Apr 2012 #45

There Is And Has Been No Lynch Mob, Fella The Magistrate Apr 2012 #50

I'm honored to have disturbed you from your constant and supercilious usage of "Sir" MNBrewer Apr 2012 #102

the only 'lynching' that actually has gone on, was perpetrated against an innocent kid. got root Apr 2012 #64

So you say. MNBrewer Apr 2012 #103

Like in the Casey Anthony trial ? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #78

That's your opinion, mine is different nt Raine Apr 2012 #51

Guilty as hell. polly7 Apr 2012 #55

Um, the 'presumption of innocence' is an all-or-nothing coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #88

And that's exactly why I'll never be a lawyer, a judge ..... or probably polly7 Apr 2012 #92

No harm in being honest. But to say you don't believe in the presumption of coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #93

No ........ I'm usually the last to be convinced someone is guilty of something that polly7 Apr 2012 #94

Sorry, my rhetoric seems to have gotten the better of me tonight. Like all coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #97

Np. polly7 Apr 2012 #100

the prosecutors think they know. spanone Apr 2012 #57

Just saying, in all fairness. blah, blah, blah. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #59

What if Trayvon were female instead? HockeyMom Apr 2012 #60

was she bigapple Apr 2012 #95

wrong - he stalked, confronted, and then murdered a teenager got root Apr 2012 #63

I see two separate issues - Whether what Zimmerman did was illegal, and whether it was wrong. slackmaster Apr 2012 #65

I agree with everything you said. Vattel Apr 2012 #67

This case is a poster child of why SYG has to go got root Apr 2012 #71

Who said he was? sendero Apr 2012 #66

You are going to be accused of defending him. Zax2me Apr 2012 #75

the sad thing is shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #76

Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #85

Since I'm not a potential juror, I will continue to speculate and discuss obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #87

Sure we do. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #101

Let me put it this way: Triana Apr 2012 #104