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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
22. Here be the problem.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

If you promise something. You have to carry out the promise, or the threat. Let's say your loved one is a drinker, a heavy drinker. You tell them to stop drinking, get help, and get sober or you are leaving. If they don't quit drinking, and you don't leave, you have nothing else to hold over them. No threat you make will be taken seriously. No request will be heard, because you have demonstrated that you are not serious about your threats.

President Obama said that if the Republicans didn't do something, he would. He would by the end of the summer. It was a do something or else I will unilaterally do something threat. Then the polling that existed at the beginning of the summer, did not change. President Obama had some choices, before he made the threat. Then he had none.

Before he issued the ultimatum, he could have called on congressional action. He could have done speeches all over the nation calling on people to contact congress. Democrats could have held town hall meetings to highlight who they believe should be given amnesty, and why. Instead, Democrats stepped back and thought they had put pressure on the Republicans. That was amazingly stupid. The Republicans had polling on their side. All they had to do to win was NOTHING. That thing you blame them for now. The Democratic Party led by President Obama managed to out maneuver themselves while standing still. We cornered ourselves and now are breathing a sigh of relief because the President did not follow through with his threat.

You can swim against the current so to speak, politically. If you are going to do it, you have to be out there, holding town hall meetings, televised ones preferably, where you defend your choice and explain it and here is the thing, convince the people to see it your way. If you are going to swim against the current, the one thing you can't do is NOTHING. Democrats did just that. President Obama did just that. Republicans were floating with the current, they didn't need to do anything to reach the end of the river. All they had to do was nothing, and eventually the current would carry them to victory. You can blame them for doing nothing, but we are in the serious minority for that.

So what has happened? The Republican base is more energized. If they can get President Obama to back down and break a promise while they are the minority, imagine what they can do in the majority. Liberals feel disappointed, because a bold move of the President went by the wayside. Hispanics feel betrayed, and ask themselves why they should march, vote, and support Democrats when they're going to get stabbed in the back for doing so. So who wins? Not us. Nuff said.

So what can the President do to defuse this before the election? Well he's rumored to be ready to announce more stringent border protections. Yeah, because what we need is more guns and troops on the border to fix immigration. Why not come out in favor of a big wall on the southern border to keep all those brown people out if you're going to embrace the RW talking points? I mean, don't go half way, just go all the way and appoint Pat Buchanan as the head of the INS?

For the last several elections, we have had a simple plan that has worked mostly. It is to stand back and let the Republicans screw up. The problem with this plan is when the Rethugs don't put a racist idiot in front of the camera who talks about "real rape" we're the ones completely screwed. We are left without a battle plan to win the election, and it's showing in the polling. Praying that the other guy screws up is not a plan for victory. It's past time that the Party figured this out.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1
Well who would you accept as a source for the information? Savannahmann Sep 2014 #15
I stand corrected....going for some coffee now. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #21
Unfortunately, most of the states that have senate seat elections do NOT have a high population Ninga Sep 2014 #2
They just might turn on the party in 2016 bigdarryl Sep 2014 #4
Not hurt Obama because voters have short memories?? He is never going to run again. merrily Sep 2014 #5
Realizing it is a stupid decision, what are the options? liberal N proud Sep 2014 #3
Their appeal to xenophobia was, among many other things, merrily Sep 2014 #6
Here be the problem. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #22
Pretty much just got a dem voting bloc to stay home lunasun Sep 2014 #7
Dimson's sister in law is Hispanic. I think that was seen as a sign of hope, merrily Sep 2014 #9
Immigration is the biggest azmom Sep 2014 #11
So are you still voting in 2014 and what bigdarryl Sep 2014 #16
I will always vote and will vote democrat azmom Sep 2014 #24
The feedback I'm getting is azmom Sep 2014 #31
Why wasn't all this taken into azmom Sep 2014 #8
What likely changed is support for Democratic Senate candidates in states amandabeech Sep 2014 #10
Wasn't this foreseen? azmom Sep 2014 #13
The way I understood it is that the races for the Dems running in conservative states amandabeech Sep 2014 #19
Thank you for that. azmom Sep 2014 #26
it's been reported that those deportstion numbers are overblown Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #36
Yes, I've read that in several places. amandabeech Sep 2014 #38
You're welcome. amandabeech Sep 2014 #37
Looking at some of them like Pryor he might bigdarryl Sep 2014 #17
There's still time for Pryor to move ahead if he can, amandabeech Sep 2014 #20
I understood your anger. However, all groups are played with by politicians. merrily Sep 2014 #12
I'm sure we will be patient again, azmom Sep 2014 #18
No, no, no. Don't be patient. Be loud and insistent, esp. with candidates now. merrily Sep 2014 #25
It's so frustrating. Our hopes azmom Sep 2014 #28
I can be cynical, so my answer to merrily Sep 2014 #29
I think it is going to backfire ripcord Sep 2014 #14
and they will do nothing. it won't work. they are completely against reform spanone Sep 2014 #23
That's o.k. It won't be his fault. vi5 Sep 2014 #27
Another factor of immigration reform is the presence of H-1B expansion in it... cascadiance Sep 2014 #30
reality is in 2014 there will be more single-issue voters against reform than for it. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #32
Good to hear azmom Sep 2014 #33
and that's the thing, what if he goes big on immigration geek tragedy Sep 2014 #34
President Obama was just azmom Sep 2014 #35
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