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193. I have a question BBI

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:04 PM

Apr 2012

Last edited Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)

I see that you post these all the time and honestly, I can't weigh in on this in anyway that would be of any significance to you or quite anyone due to the fact that I have not studied the entire AFA bill. I have my opinions but they are complicated...probably because I do not study these types of bills. This one is way too big. I have some positive feelings about many things regarding the AFA but I also have negative feelings and there are pieces I have yet to form an opinion on all together. With that said.....

What I would really like to know is what is it that you propose as a solution to this bill? What is your hope for healthcare in America and what path do you think would most likely get us there?

A follow up question would be how would you deal with or appeal to those who do not support your coming solution?

I am not necessarily looking for an answer in this thread but maybe this is something you can start sharing with us all.

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What is ObamaCare? High-Cost Privatized Medicine That Provides Huge Profits To Insurance Industry [View all] Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

If you did anything other than post propaganda, you would know those things ARE clear. TheWraith Apr 2012 #1

Thanks, Wraith. elleng Apr 2012 #3

What are the very specific limitations on costs? Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #11

Why do you care? ProSense Apr 2012 #20

Because if the facts are as I believe them to be, it makes no difference who wrote column, the title Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #25

Bullshit! ProSense Apr 2012 #36

If he's racist, he should be condemned for his racism and perhaps he may change but if he's correct Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #46

Oh please ProSense Apr 2012 #50

Your problem is in not being able to separate the messenger from the message. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #56

And ProSense Apr 2012 #59

Where and when Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #70

Well, ProSense Apr 2012 #95

1. The answer is obvious from my post because I don't agree with Duke's message. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #111

I don't think some people realize how transparent their attempts Marr Apr 2012 #122

This ProSense Apr 2012 #126

I agree, Marr it is misdirection having nothing to do with the issue of the OP that being the ACA. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #135

Right ProSense Apr 2012 #142

The OP is about the ACA, please answer my question from post #11 Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #160

2 ad hominem attacks. Quantess Apr 2012 #104

Oh ProSense Apr 2012 #106

But, the point of ad hominem attacks is that you ignore the veracity of the message Quantess Apr 2012 #114

Oh please ProSense Apr 2012 #117

You regularly post junk from Andrew Sullivan. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #79

Bullshit! n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #89

Not only do you post Sullivan and rec Sullivan threads, you totally defended him. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #94

Massive bullshit! n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #110

Selective memory. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #123

Nonsensical drivel. n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #127

lol. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #143

Wow! ProSense Apr 2012 #150

The thread you recced and noted your approval for was very recent. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #165

Uh-huh. Marr Apr 2012 #139

Ridiculous! n/t ProSense Apr 2012 #153

That was a different Prosense? Marr Apr 2012 #154

Well ProSense Apr 2012 #155

A simple "I'm sorry, I lied" would've sufficed. Marr Apr 2012 #158

Really, ProSense Apr 2012 #161

Uh-huh. Marr Apr 2012 #164

Absurd and rather telling too... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #245

In 2008, Prosense linked to a Sullivan article saying McCain wasn't tortured by Bush's definition. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #166

According to prosense: girl gone mad Apr 2012 #167

Does Prosense make it a habit to post commentary by racists attacking Obama over and over again? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #169

Is it okay to post commentary by racists or not? girl gone mad Apr 2012 #171

Is it OK to say two articles and a recommend is "regularly posting Sullivan"? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #174

So posting commentary by racists is justifiable.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #177

I imagine a relevant question should be LanternWaste Apr 2012 #246

There are several links listed in a post above mine. Marr Apr 2012 #168

One is the same article I referred to. Another is from 2007. The last is a recommend Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #172

How many posts do you require? Marr Apr 2012 #178

Imagine: wanting commentary that supports Obama posted here. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #184

Constantly scouring the intenet for negative Obama opinion pieces and they will be found. Swede Apr 2012 #47

When it comes to dumpster-diving for something, anything to dog this president AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #173

+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2012 #23

On what planet? My group health insurance rates just went up by 40%. Zorra Apr 2012 #236

Most of the provisions don't kick in until 2014. Doremus Apr 2012 #239

Paul Craig Roberts is a racist asshole and a darling of hate site VDARE... SidDithers Apr 2012 #2

Thanks, SidDithers. elleng Apr 2012 #4

I can't ProSense Apr 2012 #7

Where did you learn Roberts is a racist? Octafish Apr 2012 #17

Here's his Google-cached page at VDARE, Octafish Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #19

VDARE is a pro-white power hate site founded by an immigrant NAZI. Octafish Apr 2012 #113

Dude. He wrote a fucking fundraising letter for them!!!... SidDithers Apr 2012 #121

I said 'Thank you.' Octafish Apr 2012 #147

Oh yeah. Thanks for calling me 'Dude.' Hadn't thought about that fellah for a while. Octafish Apr 2012 #157

That cache link is not working, either, Octafish. Sorry about that. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #128

the webarchive links in my posts seem to be OK, Bolo... SidDithers Apr 2012 #129

Yes, the fundraising letter from webarchive is working OK. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #132

Hate-Crimes Bill Itself a Hate-Crime ProSense Apr 2012 #21

Gee. Do you think I'd support that? Octafish Apr 2012 #131

Seriously?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #22

Thanks for all that depth. Pat Buchanan and I go way back. Octafish Apr 2012 #144

My apologies for the tone of my replies...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #162

+ 1. n/t truedelphi Apr 2012 #27

VDARE has been designated a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center SidDithers Apr 2012 #44

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #78

The racist is Paul Craig Roberts... SidDithers Apr 2012 #80

Likewise, you pretend to be an intelligent forum member brentspeak Apr 2012 #102

Holy fuck, you're defending Paul Craig Roberts... SidDithers Apr 2012 #105

Which just means that you know you lost this round and are tucking tail and running brentspeak Apr 2012 #107

Seriously... SidDithers Apr 2012 #112

NOt to mention the extremely racist war on drugs.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #82

ROFL... SidDithers Apr 2012 #83

Such a joker. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #98

Such a joke...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #170

. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #194

Here: ProSense Apr 2012 #5

You do understand that MediCaid is now under-funded and that many truedelphi Apr 2012 #24

what organizations are shutting down? cali Apr 2012 #38

Did you watch Sixty Minutes II last night? truedelphi Apr 2012 #45

Posting Obama hit pieces from 9/11 Truthers now, Better Believe It? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #6

Lighten up. ProSense Apr 2012 #9

There's a group here that wants to read Obama hit pieces from right wing 9/11 Truthers? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #10

Well, ProSense Apr 2012 #13

Some don't seem to care about the sources zappaman Apr 2012 #14

bingo AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #18

Actually, ProSense Apr 2012 #30

Can you prove that the average medical/loss ratio was lower before the insurance law was passed? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #26

Fuck the MLR ProSense Apr 2012 #31

classic response TransitJohn Apr 2012 #196

Since you clearly don't know the answer, either... randome Apr 2012 #33

I can't answer your question about this - but two things I do know abt the ACA truedelphi Apr 2012 #39

Hey, more misleading bullshit about the ACA! And this one straight from the Romney camp! Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #48

Different companies have different ratios, of course Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #43

And seven states have been granted federal waivers from the medical/loss ratio requirments! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #54

And as I'm documenting below, these waivers are for up to three years only Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #73

Only three years? Only? Whew ..... I was worried for a moment! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #125

One that I've found so far is three years, and the third is contingent on demonstration of need. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #145

oh fuck. Now you're quoting the creator of Reaganomics? Is there anything you won't cali Apr 2012 #8

I think we should simply ignore him. randome Apr 2012 #12

nah, not as long as they get recced up. cali Apr 2012 #15

+1 Correct. n/t FSogol Apr 2012 #28

+1 Exactly. nt zappaman Apr 2012 #16

Republicans and a right-wing think tank were the original creators of the insurance industry law. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #32

say what? cali Apr 2012 #42

Obama is more of a Reaganite than the author.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #85

You're actually defending Paul Craig Roberts?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #92

Yes, I would defend him against the accusation that he supports Reaganomics. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #108

OK, good to know that you'll go to the mat for a racist piece of shit like PCR...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #124

Your ad hominem here is not that persuasive. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #163

Quit making excuses for the inexcusable... SidDithers Apr 2012 #192

I can't believe this thread. JTFrog Apr 2012 #238

Say what? So just because it was proposed by right-wing Republicans doesn't make it bad???!!! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #116

Try Republicare then. Whisp Apr 2012 #29

Do you have an opinion on the points made in the post or would you rather engage in personal attacks Better Believe It Apr 2012 #35

Getting a little sensitive there, BNBI. randome Apr 2012 #37

that was a personal attack just how? Whisp Apr 2012 #40

The alert on your post failed. Scurrilous Apr 2012 #51

I was willing to take a ding for that. Whisp Apr 2012 #58

My opinion was to rec this topic. truedelphi Apr 2012 #49

It is the opinion of many that the ACA is "Republicare" largely because it's a 20 year old GOP idea Dragonfli Apr 2012 #66

Prove that mathematically treestar Apr 2012 #34

Under "Obamacare" 27% to 32% of insurance premiums will go for profits and administrative costs ... Better Believe It Apr 2012 #52

Why do you keep calling it Obamacare? ACA is three letters. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #53

I don't call the law that. I call it the "Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act" Better Believe It Apr 2012 #61

Call the law by its name. ACA. Three letters. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #64

You can call it Shirley for all I care... SidDithers Apr 2012 #65

AKA the "I'm never going to stop campaignign against Obama on DU Act" dionysus Apr 2012 #90

Hello, such an act would release insurance companies from all regulation treestar Apr 2012 #214

That's a ProSense Apr 2012 #55

Maine waiver: for three years, third year contingency Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #60

A 65% medical/loss ratio for three full years!!!! You gotta be kidding! Wow! What a handout! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #130

65% for two years, BBI. With the third year contingent on showing the need. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #134

Only two years. I stand corrected. What a relief! Think the insurance crooks will show a need? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #140

If they do, they might get the third year. Other states are finding their waivers denied. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #175

Texas waiver: Ninth state waiver DENIED Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #62

Kansas and Oklahoma: MLR waivers DENIED Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #67

Nevada waiver: one year. New Hampshire waiver: two years. Both higher MLRs than requested. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #71

Not getting into this clusterfuck, but I can tell that if you get sick in NV Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #99

Well, as far as the MLR situation is concerned, they've got one year to get that part in order. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #101

I'm really curious about your personal situation. cali Apr 2012 #74

Kentucky waiver: one year only, then back to the Federal mandate Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #76

Well done... SidDithers Apr 2012 #86

The facts ProSense Apr 2012 #133

Thanks Bolo Boffin. Completely debunked that propaganda. joshcryer Apr 2012 #149

+100 zappaman Apr 2012 #159

all businesses exist to profit treestar Apr 2012 #212

You do understand the concept that someone somewhere has to foot the bill. truedelphi Apr 2012 #57

Never mind all of that.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #91

Thanks for a bit of truedelphi Apr 2012 #247

So prove it mathematically instead of hot air and anecdotal events treestar Apr 2012 #216

Please quite projecting. truedelphi Apr 2012 #222

Insurance for those who could not get it before due to pre-existing conditions is going to increase treestar Apr 2012 #235

And what if you can't afford the new and higher premiums charged to cover pre-existing conditions? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #241

Are you aware that some insurance comapnies have raised their rates over 45% in truedelphi Apr 2012 #242

I think you're on to something! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #244

And you have worked in hospitals how many years of yr life? truedelphi Apr 2012 #248

Its clear your motive is to undermine support of President Obama banned from Kos Apr 2012 #41

Is that your best or only defense of the insurance industry law? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #69

You were opposed to a primary challenge against Obama? Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #77

Why did you support a primary challenge to Obama? Never mind! Better Believe It Apr 2012 #109

I didn't support a primary challenge to Obama. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #115

I didn't either. And you think I should have? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #137

Since you feel so strongly about slamming Obama every chance you get, yes Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #141

And what primary candidate do you think I should have supported? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #148

I don't know. You're the one that doesn't like Obama. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #151

He says he didn't either. JTFrog Apr 2012 #240

"The time you could actually have made a difference in the Democratic Party." great white snark Apr 2012 #179

I love counterpunch. Quantess Apr 2012 #63

Do they also give space to Paul Craig Roberts for his racist, anti-immigrant writings... SidDithers Apr 2012 #68

What, so now counterpunch is in question? Quantess Apr 2012 #75

The only true news source is Whitehouse.gov Marr Apr 2012 #180

And racists are OK if they agree with you about ACA...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #190

Why deal with the message when you can dismiss the messenger, right? Marr Apr 2012 #202

Hey, I hear Pat Buchanan doesn't like ACA either... SidDithers Apr 2012 #208

Counterpunch used to make me crazy with their blatant lying and cali Apr 2012 #72

Paul Craig Roberts is a paranoid loser RZM Apr 2012 #81

+1... SidDithers Apr 2012 #88

So the US is not an evil fascist police state? girl gone mad Apr 2012 #93

Yep really RZM Apr 2012 #100

Heh. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #119

it's wealthcare, not healthcare.... mike_c Apr 2012 #84

keep trying. dionysus Apr 2012 #87

very trying. Whisp Apr 2012 #96

17 Recs for an article by a actual, dyed in the wool racist... SidDithers Apr 2012 #97

Come on ProSense Apr 2012 #103

It's a great rec listing tho... SidDithers Apr 2012 #118

Ooh, sounds threatening. Quantess Apr 2012 #136

Same ones that rec'd that other thread diminishing racism in favor of a class analysis. joshcryer Apr 2012 #138

That is so pathetic. FSogol Apr 2012 #187

Arguments in defense of the health insurance industry and big pharma. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #120

Please stop posting lying articles about Obama from racist rightwing 9/11 Truthers. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #146

That's not a response. It's yet another personal attack. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #152

If you didn't post lying articles about Obama from racist rightwing 9/11 Truthers, I wouldn't ask Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #156

i don't think you know what a personal attack is. dionysus Apr 2012 #200

Yes.. only post pro-Obama articles from racist rightwing 9/11 truthers. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #183

Got any? n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #185

it just never ends, does it? spanone Apr 2012 #176

Barrel bottom scrapings. great white snark Apr 2012 #181

To me it is ALOT more. I have a child graduating college with a pre-existing condition. jillan Apr 2012 #182

Same here. My son is now covered under our insurance. n/t FSogol Apr 2012 #186

I wish people here could make an effort to understand that. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #188

Reccing regardless of the writer due to lack of substantive responses identifying misinformation. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #189

"I don't know if this guy is a racist or not"... SidDithers Apr 2012 #191

Sorry if you missed it. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #226

I have a question BBI chowder66 Apr 2012 #193

A very good question and one I'm pleased to answer. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #211

Posting lying articles from rightwing 9/11 Truthers is no way to go about your stated goal. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #228

So now racists are credible sources? Bobbie Jo Apr 2012 #195

Yup. Transparency is awesome, eh?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #199

This thread typifies the new DU TransitJohn Apr 2012 #197

On the old DU, articles from racists weren't allowed...nt SidDithers Apr 2012 #201

nor were people allowed to openly campaign against democrats... now it's A-OK. dionysus Apr 2012 #203

Not true. brentspeak Apr 2012 #231

that's a statement of fact. i don't post 6 threads a day trying to convince DUers to vote against dionysus Apr 2012 #233

Thanks. TransitJohn Apr 2012 #205

As a point of reference... SidDithers Apr 2012 #215

That's another really good example. TransitJohn Apr 2012 #221

if hitler had any anti obama quotes they'd be posting them as well.. oblivious to reality... dionysus Apr 2012 #243

+100000000 woo me with science Apr 2012 #207

Didn't read the article, have no clue who the author is Autumn Apr 2012 #198

I don't know much about the author either but I think he made some good and valid points. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #206

i know, you never know what you're going to get next when you scour the net to find articles dionysus Apr 2012 #219

You sure you wanna do that?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #209

Sid I recommended it just because Autumn Apr 2012 #217

Whatever. You now know he's a racist... SidDithers Apr 2012 #220

"...nothing at all on what she posts, just a fucking shitload of personal attacks..." woo me with science Apr 2012 #227

The problem I have Sid is the lack of discussion on the articles merit Autumn Apr 2012 #229

This OP is about the ACA and its massive corporate suckage rudycantfail Apr 2012 #204

Which was written by a racist fuck.... SidDithers Apr 2012 #210

Andrew Sullivan is enamored of "The Bell Curve".. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #213

Feel free to present that information to him... SidDithers Apr 2012 #218

The point being.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #223

2-4 to leave it, but I wasn't the first alert... SidDithers Apr 2012 #225

What do you think of this statement rudycantfail Apr 2012 #230

Shockley who co-invented the transister is also enamored of truedelphi Apr 2012 #249

Yep that was my take too. n/t truedelphi Apr 2012 #224

Wow, shocking. BlueIris Apr 2012 #232

So what's your opinion of the health insurance industry bill? Better Believe It Apr 2012 #234

Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush ProSense Apr 2012 #237