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YoungDemCA

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8. A few of my thoughts
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

First, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri

Basically, they are an incredibly fanatical group of (mostly) young, often well-educated and middle-class Sunni Muslim men (and some women, surprisingly) from a wide variety of nationalities-ranging from Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Middle East to the United Kingdom and even the United States. They are united by thinking that they are the only true Muslims, and that anyone-Muslim or otherwise-who dares disagree with them, or whom is simply not like them, must be viciously and brutally killed. Furthermore, they are willing to bend and break their own religion's rules, because "the ends justify the means."

Their stated goal is to create a new Caliphate, but I honestly think that a lot of ISIS/ISIL's strength is driven by the political rivalries between different countries in the Middle East-particularly between the Saudis and the Iranians, who have both been fighting something of a protracted proxy war in Iraq and Syria (Actually, the Syrian conflict and the Assad regimes' brutality is a big catalyst for the recent resurgence of Sunni jihadists in the region...)

Also, as much as I hate to say it...the United States and its allies do bear some of the blame for destabilizing the region with the occupation of Iraq, and not replacing Saddam Hussein's government with something...well, something that could be tolerable and competent. Iraq's post-Saddam government has been dominated by the majority Shiites-a group that is more oriented toward Iran. Now, it's not surprising that the (mostly) Sunni Baathists were driven out of Iraqi politics and civil society, considering what happened under Saddam's rule. But that situation has definitely had an effect on what's happened since.

Finally, it's pretty obvious where all the gruesome and barbaric actions of ISIL came from; remember Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi? His group was the direct ancestor of ISIL, more or less. So it's not like there weren't plenty of jihadists already in the region with similar tactics (particularly since, again, the wars in Iraq and Syria). Exploiting social media for the shock value of beheading Westerners and showing how scary ISIL is=political theatre for ISIL.

Anyway...I believe they have received funding from a wide variety of sources-especially from sources within the Persian Gulf states-but since they've captured a lot of territory and resources in Iraq and Syria, they are becoming increasingly self-sufficient. Therefore, I don't know how much targeting funding sources from outside the region will have a big effect, particularly as time goes on.

That's my analysis, anyway.

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I think it's a movement that the PNACers are helping to force U.S. troops back into Iraq. n/t woodsprite Sep 2014 #1
fyi, that's covered in option 2 in the poll. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #2
Sorry, took that as a wholly 'false flag', rather than woodsprite Sep 2014 #13
...Mercenaries who are being funded, trained and supplied weapons by the military industrial complex 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #3
Keep posting this! AND if you haven't seen it - watch it! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #28
As two things: NuclearDem Sep 2014 #4
I don't see the answer I think is true in your poll. kwassa Sep 2014 #5
They were quietly armed by Sunni states all over the region Warpy Sep 2014 #7
Well said YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #9
al-Baghdadi armed himself through conquest ... and financed the same way. kwassa Sep 2014 #10
You're not really giving a broad or even good selection Scootaloo Sep 2014 #6
Going to have to disagree with you on your last two points Lurks Often Sep 2014 #19
As well as, a chunk of IS is ex-Iraqi military. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #29
A few of my thoughts YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #8
False flag by republica s to draw us into another senseless war. ncjustice80 Sep 2014 #11
They aren't nihlists BainsBane Sep 2014 #12
It's very much a nasty jihadist movement with horrific aims. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #14
Jihadists AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #15
I don't know. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #16
All of the above CJCRANE Sep 2014 #17
Blowback. nt bemildred Sep 2014 #18
The inevitable result of Junior's Big Adventure in Iraq, QC Sep 2014 #20
Winner, winner, chicken dinner gratuitous Sep 2014 #22
Thank you! QC Sep 2014 #25
A threat to liberal and moderate human beings though not to those residing in the US. n/t pampango Sep 2014 #21
My guess, and that's what it is, hifiguy Sep 2014 #23
It is nature abhoring a vacuum. Xithras Sep 2014 #24
+1. One thing is they likely have the names of many of the jihadi's since they gave em guns in grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #27
It's a cross between false flag and genuine jihadi's. Fairly common op, arm some whakos to do grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #26
If I had to guess, I'd say an assortment of thugs and political and/or religious zealots that Marr Sep 2014 #30
A social construct. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #31
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