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morningfog

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110. As horrid as it is, this is not a problem to be solved with the US military.

Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:02 PM

Sep 2014

This is a brutal sectarian war crossing multiple countries. A great deal of this can be traced to past western military interventions.

For our purposes, we need to closely follow who is going to fight for IS from the US and other western nations, and track any possible attempt to return.

As for war crimes by IS, we need to be a part of the international community in addressing it. No other nations are bombing Iraq right now. How is it that none others see it as the moral imperative? None. Because it isn't. IS is a serious problem for the neighbor in nations to contain and the host nations to end. This is not our fight.

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Obama to announce new war on Wednesday [View all] morningfog Sep 2014 OP

Not the second Iraq War anyways. ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #1

Rather, the first Syrian War. morningfog Sep 2014 #4

Yes, but spilling over the border into Iraq. The point is, it's time for another AF & Navy war, ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #10

Syria has a coast grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #44

I know, but there hasn't been much talk about the Navy's part in this coming war. My ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #64

Naval aviation. amandabeech Sep 2014 #89

Yup. And, here we go again. Sigh. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #91

I'm afraid so. Sigh. amandabeech Sep 2014 #104

2nd war with what ?????? DustyJoe Sep 2014 #95

Wow, are our forces [i]that[/i] decimated? ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #97

They aren't. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #113

For the Army alone GP6971 Sep 2014 #103

Alarmist bullshit. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #114

Tough call when almost half the country hates you no matter what you do randys1 Sep 2014 #2

I stand with Obama. ISIS is the greatest threat of the 21st century. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #3

No, climate change and running out of oil and fresh, clean water is the greatest ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #5

I think there's plenty of oil to go around for those who are willing to take it. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #7

And that's what it's really all about, taking resources so you can wipe your ass with toilet paper ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #11

I would rather a war over resources than religion. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #12

Still, you'd rather a war, as long as it benefits you. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #16

In some circumstances, yes. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #17

That is a loathesome expectation. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #19

Why? Hemmingway Sep 2014 #21

If I have to explain that to you, then you are most likely in the wrong place ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #26

Run if the mill garden troll. morningfog Sep 2014 #37

Actually, a mouse... ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #42

Really? Again? uppityperson Sep 2014 #51

Oh yes, it's my new favorite saying. BBI! nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #54

You would think people might move on. uppityperson Sep 2014 #57

I'll do what I want to do. I asked for an explanation and none was offered. I'm not ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #81

Yup, and I didn't mean you. uppityperson Sep 2014 #82

I see, well I can't be faulted for thinking it was. I stand by the gist of my post. It was implied ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #83

I do not know what thread you mean and I meant the one you were replying to here uppityperson Sep 2014 #85

A fucking useless shitstorm that I won't link to. EDITED: ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #86

Got it, thanks, and blech to the whole drama thing. uppityperson Sep 2014 #88

And I'm sure you'll be first in line to join GP6971 Sep 2014 #105

+1 Nt newfie11 Sep 2014 #36

guess WHO controls some of that oil now? And is using it to commit genocide? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #29

Perpetual War is the only thing Ichingcarpenter Sep 2014 #80

Overdose on your Testornios this morning? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #6

I Think It Is A Question of How Much Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #8

And who pays???? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #50

I Would Tax The Rich Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #56

If it's actually important, a special tax on the wealthiest should fly through congress. I'd like to grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #70

I 'm Not Holding My Breath Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #84

Agreed...No more wars without the One Percent's involvement via their taxes. whathehell Sep 2014 #102

Ugh... It's a big century just FYI. Agschmid Sep 2014 #13

Gotta start somewhere. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #15

The only thing is... GummyBearz Sep 2014 #14

See You in The Hague Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #18

Torture is now legal. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #20

It's "Enhanced interrogation techniques" Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #24

A shit turd by any other name... You better believe it! ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #28

I may be wrong... GummyBearz Sep 2014 #23

If they shot German prisoners Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #31

You misread GummyBearz Sep 2014 #49

You're right, my bad. I'll delete. Thanks for correcting my reading of your post. =) nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #52

Who did what you are asking for? "We need to get down to their level and do some really inhumane stu uppityperson Sep 2014 #41

Not that I know of GummyBearz Sep 2014 #61

So the USA should torture and do nasty stuff because no one did that to the nazis? uppityperson Sep 2014 #69

My reply GummyBearz Sep 2014 #75

And your previous point that no one went to the Hague for torturing nazis, so it's ok to do uppityperson Sep 2014 #77

On a humane level, no.. GummyBearz Sep 2014 #79

Totally disagree sub.theory Sep 2014 #96

What about the civilians nearby that are being morningfog Sep 2014 #22

They'll meet us with open arms and praise is as rescuing heroes. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #27

What about the civilians we kill? morningfog Sep 2014 #33

What about the ones we save? Hemmingway Sep 2014 #43

No, what about the ones we kill? morningfog Sep 2014 #48

We will save more than we kill. Hemmingway Sep 2014 #53

How many can we kill and still be in the right? morningfog Sep 2014 #59

How many do we have to save before it becomes worth the money to you? Hemmingway Sep 2014 #67

Stupid question. Even one civilian killed is too many. morningfog Sep 2014 #71

Should we cower behind or borders? Hemmingway Sep 2014 #74

We can't kill people into not killing. morningfog Sep 2014 #109

Flowers! these people hate us, we are the problem not the solution. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #35

How bout the 8 newborns bombed to death in airstrikes? Any blowback from that you think? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #40

Give me a fucking break. arcane1 Sep 2014 #46

Conservatives are easily frightened. Marr Sep 2014 #47

LOL you having fun? tkmorris Sep 2014 #115

Creative, though unsupported allegation. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #125

I wonder how many times he'll invoke 9/11? morningfog Sep 2014 #9

If we're running a pool, can I have "0", please? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #25

You'd lose for sure. morningfog Sep 2014 #32

Wow! How apropos grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #38

Wow, I didn't even noticed that, but Marr Sep 2014 #58

I imagine more directly. "On the eve of this anniversary..." morningfog Sep 2014 #66

Yep-- that's more or less what I'm thinking. I doubt he'll actually use the Marr Sep 2014 #72

The bu$h misadministration Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #112

''From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August.'' ANDREW H. CARD Jr., grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #34

IMO President Obama has considered all angles at this point sawdust Sep 2014 #39

He Also Has Kenyan Blood Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #45

Does "Kenyan Blood" have some sort of special magic powers or something? arcane1 Sep 2014 #55

What do you mean by "you people"? Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #60

People who say shit like "Kenyan Blood" arcane1 Sep 2014 #68

I meant that as a compliment Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #73

kenya didn't exist when he was born sawdust Sep 2014 #62

Curious only, is it that Kenyans are known for treestar Sep 2014 #90

I Think The Fighting Irish Thing Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #99

And now the fan club is going to tell you how wars are awesome and they were always for them. nt LeftyMom Sep 2014 #63

Why should one be for or against wars entirely? treestar Sep 2014 #92

See, called it. nt LeftyMom Sep 2014 #108

you did not answer the question treestar Sep 2014 #118

Yep. It's like watching a rerun. Marr Sep 2014 #120

Yeah-- like, maybe you're *against* wars when *those* politicians are in office, but *for* wars Marr Sep 2014 #119

DEM president bombs only kill the bad guys!1 m-lekktor Sep 2014 #124

Wasn't DU absolutely sure that Obama was going to ... JoePhilly Sep 2014 #127

So what would you do? Kalidurga Sep 2014 #65

As horrid as it is, this is not a problem to be solved with the US military. morningfog Sep 2014 #110

I can't think of any fights not in our country that are our fights. Kalidurga Sep 2014 #117

he might use those drones SummerSnow Sep 2014 #76

No doubt drones will be a part of it. morningfog Sep 2014 #111

I'm surprised he didn't wait until after the election. Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #78

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the White House is ~trying~ to throw the Senate to the Republicans blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #98

I oppose ANY USA involvement in this. 99Forever Sep 2014 #87

I can dig that treestar Sep 2014 #93

Were you using that same argument when Rumsfeld was using it? Marr Sep 2014 #121

By the standard that we should not get involved in others' problems treestar Sep 2014 #126

But there are handsome PROFITS to be made, and really, that's the only thing that matters in DC. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #94

So very true. 99Forever Sep 2014 #101

Any ground forces and I register as indy the next day LittleBlue Sep 2014 #100

Fox News will complain that it wasn't started onTuesday underpants Sep 2014 #106

It should be obvious after 6 years that Obama isn't running the show. He's not even Monk06 Sep 2014 #107

I don't think that's the case at all. Marr Sep 2014 #122

Keep your powdered dried SonofMarx Sep 2014 #116

Will we be setting up new torture camps and does it come with color-coded terror threats? Corruption Inc Sep 2014 #123