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joshcryer

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98. The poll was on DU.

Mon Sep 8, 2014, 01:49 AM

Sep 2014

It is for DUers.

It has no representation of reality in any way, shape, or form. Most people don't even know who the fuck Kissinger is or give two shits about him. In the real world. He hasn't been SoS since fucking Ford. No one gives a shit about his rambling nonsense. Again, in the real world.

As far as anyone promoting Kissinger, he is against Ukraine joining NATO. A view shared by many DUers. At what point and by what metric should one promote or not promote his views and has Hillary Clinton gone beyond the promotion of his views that many DUers have done?

I frankly think it's mostly nonsense. He's a niche player and has been for decades. Though Democrats like him for his Paris Peace accords, and Republicans like him because he doesn't stand for anything in general. Either way, he's a nobody.

Therefore anyone sending him praise is playing the game, no? Or should we ban all DUers who agree with him on Ukraine? If Clinton can't even run for Presidency because of this, should DUers who agree with him be banned? I mean one is someone who has a free agency to do what the want, the other is someone who explicitly supports him...

Strange times we live in.

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HRC has just written a glowing review of Kissinger's new book. STILL think we should nominate her? [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2014 OP

I didn't support a Clinton candidacy until just a few minutes ago. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #1

This and sniper fire Politicalboi Sep 2014 #2

I read some of the comments yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #6

People on the internets said that? Oh noes! Good thing polls say otherwise... Metric System Sep 2014 #69

Yeah, because pollsters have really proven to be objective, accurate and reliable. Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #73

This isn't about her vs. a Repug. It's about nominating her at all. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #18

Ugh. The Clintons never fail to piss me off. Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #3

I honestly do not understand why everyone thinks she's a shoe-in. MelungeonWoman Sep 2014 #4

She's been in the public eye for 23 years XemaSab Sep 2014 #12

what gives you the idea that people in general don't like her? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #26

Maybe he hangs-out with Republicans? 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Sep 2014 #40

HA XemaSab Sep 2014 #42

Shoot, I voted for her in the '08 primaries. MelungeonWoman Sep 2014 #35

You do realize ....Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat right? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #44

If you think there's something wrong with that comment, then alert on it. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #76

HA right.....it wasn't the statement VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #77

And a unknown in 2008 took a 30 point lead from her! nt Logical Sep 2014 #38

and who do YOU think is going to do that this time? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #43

Nobody knew THAT candidate would do it at this point in 2006. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #61

So you want to put all your money on another dark horse rising up? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #78

LOL, who did YOU think might do it last time? You just.... Logical Sep 2014 #87

I think there was Presidential talk for him as soon as he gave that first speech... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #91

I saying people like you were claiming she was unbeatable last time. And Obama destroyed her. You... Logical Sep 2014 #93

but YOU see....everything doesn't happen the same way it did last time now DOES IT? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #94

Because judging by her rhetoric whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #83

Quelle surprise. nonbhn edgineered Sep 2014 #5

She will not get the nomination. ..she loses pipoman Sep 2014 #7

oh really? who? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #46

Anyone who wants change pipoman Sep 2014 #67

comeon....name names....who has a better chance at winning than HRC? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #79

You rest your case? Thank goodness. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2014 #81

Futility. . pipoman Sep 2014 #82

Just one more brick in the wall for me. Motown_Johnny Sep 2014 #8

Yes better her than EW AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #9

Do you assume that every other state wants our nominee Ken Burch Sep 2014 #10

Wasting keystrokes on that one. nt LeftyMom Sep 2014 #16

Why would you say that? AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #25

Because I can read. And not really. nt LeftyMom Sep 2014 #27

Ahhh defamation AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #41

I assume AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #24

She has no claim to any inherent superiority over any other possible Dem candidate. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #36

she does have the polling numbers to "claim" doesn't she? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #47

So did Ed Muskie, in September of 1970(and I point that out sadly, because I liked Muskie). Ken Burch Sep 2014 #58

NOT HER numbers he didnt....SORRY epic fail! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #80

All of that means endorsing everything Kissinger ever did doesn't matter? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #89

Except all the states Clinton appeals to... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #56

Well this changes nothing for me Kalidurga Sep 2014 #11

If it's between her and a repub, I'm voting for her justiceischeap Sep 2014 #13

This was about the question of NOMINATING her, not about the fall. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #15

Well, it depends Ken Burch justiceischeap Sep 2014 #68

People been kissing his ass for decades. Rex Sep 2014 #14

True...that doesn't mean it doesn't matter, though. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #17

I think she thinks she has the oval office in the bag. Rex Sep 2014 #21

You see the GOP scared of losing Congress? Really? where did you see that? still_one Sep 2014 #30

Not what I said, reading comprehension skills are in dire need I see. Rex Sep 2014 #84

so educate me, here is your direct quote in the body still_one Sep 2014 #85

I was up for voting against her in the Primaries. Now...well, it has made a difference as to my libdem4life Sep 2014 #19

Yesterday I saw a play about LBJ, "The Great Society" XemaSab Sep 2014 #20

Maybe, but if she did as you say "throw all the troops at it", it would have to be with Congress still_one Sep 2014 #31

Not really. She can send 'em in for sixty days without Congressional approval Ken Burch Sep 2014 #62

yes still_one Sep 2014 #72

I voted "pass" because I didn't think we should nominate her before the Kissinger stuff. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #22

It doesn't change my mind as I was already not going to vote for her in the primary davidpdx Sep 2014 #23

I suspect a lot of folks on DU will have a problem if she becomes the nominee still_one Sep 2014 #28

No, we will hold our nose, eat light and take some pepto before casting out ballot for the Dem. LiberalArkie Sep 2014 #70

Don't like any of the choices. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #29

PASS ~ We should let the primaries nominate or not nominate her. Fair is fair. BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #32

By "we", I meant the party in the primaries, not DU alone. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #34

Since we're on DU... BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #45

Obviously, I was referring to the primary process Ken Burch Sep 2014 #59

AGREED! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author indie9197 Sep 2014 #33

Um this is Democratic Underground you are at.....WTF does what Bill Clinton is going to do... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #50

Oh, hell no! Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #37

I don't want to vote for anyone who voted for the Iraq war. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #39

No, absolutely not. She lives in a different world, she obviously wants to be one of them, the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #48

"she is the last person we need running this country." zappaman Sep 2014 #53

What a fascinating comment.. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #54

Maybe Henry will vote for her. I won't. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #51

Kissinger. Former Secretary of Hate. Eeeeewww! nt Zorra Sep 2014 #52

I suspect that much of what she does elleng Sep 2014 #55

I thought the revolution was coming BainsBane Sep 2014 #57

You're just baiting here. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #60

I considered it more of a friendly jab BainsBane Sep 2014 #63

The other thread didn't CLAIM that "the revolution was just around the corner" and you know it. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #64

I'm actually not mad at all BainsBane Sep 2014 #65

The person you quoted HAD no valid point, because nobody was doing what he accused people of there. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #66

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton, for anything. Ever. 99Forever Sep 2014 #71

the HORROR!!!!!!! whistler162 Sep 2014 #74

having read the whole thing all the way through justabob Sep 2014 #86

There is nothing in the review that makes what she wrote inoffensive(I read the review). Ken Burch Sep 2014 #90

I never thought we should nominate her. nt LWolf Sep 2014 #75

Kissinger is a fucking monster hifiguy Sep 2014 #88

We should not nominate Hillary. bigwillq Sep 2014 #92

DU was going to nominate her before? joshcryer Sep 2014 #95

I meant the party, not DU. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #97

The poll was on DU. joshcryer Sep 2014 #98

She was never even close to my first choice, to begin with. This just further disappoints me. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #96