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appal_jack

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18. In some ways, I am just the opposite.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:24 PM
Sep 2014

I recall the common graffiti seen around the Lower East Side of NYC during the late 1980's of an inverted martini glass and the text "The Party's Over." To my young activist eyes of the time, this looked prophetic. Surely the excesses of Wall St. in the 1980's and the inequality and environmental destruction wrought by capitalism and militarism then had reached a logical endpoint, and society would either correct course or fall-apart. Boy, was I wrong. The Gordon Gecko days and the S&L Bailout were just dress rehearsals for Jamie Dimon and TARP.

Now, don't get me wrong; things have surely gotten worse, and at some point the chickens will come home to roost. Infinite growth and consumption CANNOT keep going on this oh so finite planet of more than 7 billion people. But 'the system' (however you define it) is enormously creative in how it keeps going. Powerful people have a strong interest in continuing patterns of exploitation, and they have been largely creative and successful in sustaining their own wealth and power, at the expense of the planet's ecosystems and common good.

Are things going to hell in a hand basket? Almost certainly, by nearly any measure. And yet the endpoint of 'collapse' has not arrived.

I will not tempt fate or show my own ignorance by predicting a set time for 'collapse.' But I will express my true amazement that it has not arrived at some point during the past three decades.

-app

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Since the collapse apparently already "coming", I'll say, next thursday, high noon. tridim Sep 2014 #1
So long term environmental damage and the dwindling oil supply are no big deal? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #2
Every major issue we confront as a species is a big deal. tridim Sep 2014 #4
Solved is a strong word The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #9
We wouldn't have survived as a species otherwise. tridim Sep 2014 #20
+1. Oh noes, as soon as the Diet Coke and Chulaps run out, we're finished! FSogol Sep 2014 #21
Again, solved in a strong word The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #30
They certainly are. And they'll be a *bigger* deal in a generation or two. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #41
Hard to pinpoint, it will be a gradual decline IMO. If people keep accepting less and less, RKP5637 Sep 2014 #3
Define "civilization"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #5
The older I get the sooner I think the collapse is coming. But then I remember pampango Sep 2014 #6
I have thought about that as well...i think almost every generation sees the end coming... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #14
In some ways, I am just the opposite. appal_jack Sep 2014 #18
How about never as a choice. RGinNJ Sep 2014 #7
January 20, 1981. Scuba Sep 2014 #8
I'm going to say - Reagan inauguration? nt el_bryanto Sep 2014 #11
For that matter Gman Sep 2014 #46
It won't Saffron Sep 2014 #10
Welcome to DU! Agschmid Sep 2014 #12
+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #15
I pretty much agree with you on this. And a warm welcome to DU. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #35
Wise comment, Saffron, and I agree with you. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2014 #38
You cogg he's real? Who tripped the Fall, if not Old Georgie? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #13
Two men enter. postulater Sep 2014 #27
The collapse of geopolitical norms, sure, that's on the way. randome Sep 2014 #16
I'd say in 100 years or above by the way we're going without changing sakabatou Sep 2014 #17
If we continue like this? daleanime Sep 2014 #19
The collapse is here now. Police State, Climate Change, etc. Collapse? You're soaking in it. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #22
Everyone loves to think they live in extraordinary times. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #23
Every second is precious and new tridim Sep 2014 #32
Not in the forseeable future. Beyond that, who knows... Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #24
People have been predicting the collapse of civilization in the US for 230 years. cbdo2007 Sep 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2014 #26
Civilization collapsed a long time ago. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #28
What is this "civilization" of which you speak? Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #29
Well, Olive Garden's Unlimited Pasta deal is good for only 7 weeks pinboy3niner Sep 2014 #31
Before the end of 2015 Hari Seldon Sep 2014 #33
The most accurate answer is.....probably never. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #34
It's already here. Initech Sep 2014 #36
It would suck to live in a place with ebola cases rising exponentially. hunter Sep 2014 #37
not so much collapse as to devolve into something unrecognizble compared to what we have now. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #39
"Civilisation" as such may not collapse, but some societies probably will. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #40
I say 50-100 years. Either via World War III, environmental devastation, or a combo of the two. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #42
Define "collapse" fadedrose Sep 2014 #43
Which civilization? Marrah_G Sep 2014 #44
What have the Romans ever done for us? {Monty Python} Electric Monk Sep 2014 #45
It depends on where AngryAmish Sep 2014 #47
I think it's underway magical thyme Sep 2014 #48
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