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MineralMan

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26. Ah...eliminated, yes. Restricted, no.

Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:08 PM

Sep 2014

One can still have capitalism with a very high taxation rate. Eliminate profits and you're out of business, pretty much. Now, that would destroy capitalism, for sure. I hope you're self-sufficient, in that case.

You've still provided no workable idea for replacing capitalism. The world's complex, so the idea will have to be complex, as well.

As I said above, start thinking. When you come up with something, we can discuss strategy. Until then, it's all the way down.

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10 Reasons to Hate Capitalism [View all] ZombieHorde Sep 2014 OP

I don't need more reasons. Laffy Kat Sep 2014 #1

What's your preferred economic system? MineralMan Sep 2014 #2

The native American economic system seemed OK. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #3

See, the reason I ask is that simply destroying a global MineralMan Sep 2014 #20

Step one: turn as many against the system as possible. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #70

I've had a worker owned business since 1974. MineralMan Sep 2014 #23

I think they call that capitalism... brooklynite Sep 2014 #57

I think NJCher Sep 2014 #83

Yes, and neighborhood cooperatives operate differently from State-Run businesses brooklynite Sep 2014 #111

Except there's no capital nt Depaysement Sep 2014 #85

Of course there's capital brooklynite Sep 2014 #112

I've had several one-person businesses. MineralMan Sep 2014 #116

Absolutely it's capitalism... brooklynite Sep 2014 #161

That's retention . . . Depaysement Sep 2014 #154

I wouldn't mind starting my own hospice. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #66

A noble goal. There is an eight-bed hospice MineralMan Sep 2014 #117

It's entrepreneurial capitalism as opposed to institutional, corporate, oligarchic types. immoderate Sep 2014 #105

That only works locally and tribally, much like anarchism itself. Warpy Sep 2014 #69

I also favor moving in that direction while we try to figure something else out. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #73

+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #197

How does this work/what does it mean? Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #99

Private property is the construct we currently use. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #102

Make it Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #103

Just like there are different ways to do private property, ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #108

That doesn't answer the questions though Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #110

You can criticize capitalism without offering alternatives leftstreet Sep 2014 #6

Of course you can, but replacing it will require a definition MineralMan Sep 2014 #16

Restricting profits doesn't 'shut off the economy' n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #19

Nor does it end capitalism. MineralMan Sep 2014 #21

If profits are eliminated/restricted..it's no longer capitalism n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #22

Ah...eliminated, yes. Restricted, no. MineralMan Sep 2014 #26

Worker Self Directed Enterprises BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #31

OK. Here's what you do: MineralMan Sep 2014 #34

They already exist BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #36

OK. If they're such a good idea, then why hasn't MineralMan Sep 2014 #39

Lots of reasons, really. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #43

Dude, it's already been done 2banon Sep 2014 #109

'Eliminate profits and you're out of business, pretty much' leftstreet Sep 2014 #49

Restricting or redirecting profits is more pollyanna nonsense BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #24

Not a valid comparison on so many levels. MineralMan Sep 2014 #30

LOL like God...Capitalists provide thou Lumber leftstreet Sep 2014 #47

I agree with you, but I also enjoy being challenged. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #74

Maybe something like this? Edim Sep 2014 #52

Mondragon Corp. is a Cooperative-started up in 1956 in Basque Region and is very successful today 2banon Sep 2014 #104

Hybrid socialist capitalist system such as we see in enlightned social democracies (we had it in the grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #166

You are correct BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #172

Capitalism for high competition industries (like a bunch of shoe stores) socialize anything that grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #205

+1 TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #198

One other nice thing about places like Cuba, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #4

Better Dead than Red, eh? [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #5

I love capitalism wyldwolf Sep 2014 #7

Regulated capitalism BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #9

but it doesn't have to be wyldwolf Sep 2014 #13

Doesn't have to be? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #15

well, ok, here we go wyldwolf Sep 2014 #29

I point you to trends in the EU and US (and Canada to some extent) BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #33

I agree that "things are getting less regulated." wyldwolf Sep 2014 #37

yeah and the drive to re-regulate will be thwarted BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #40

the drive to end capitalism would be thwarted more. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #42

It is based off of historical evidence and what is currently happening. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #44

there have been points in history where capitalism has been re-regulated. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #48

Eh, I wouldn't be too sure on dodd-frank BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #50

I'm completely sure that it regulates things that were not regulated before wyldwolf Sep 2014 #54

You need certain conditions for re-regulation to be a thing BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #64

Did you just make that list up? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #67

No that is what greatly assisted the last great reining in of capital BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #72

Link? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #76

really man? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #128

Really man? Show us in your wiki links anything that remotely resembles what you said: wyldwolf Sep 2014 #129

Dodd-frank is not re-regulation BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #131

Did you link(s) mention Dodd Frank? This is a prime example of you avoiding the conversation wyldwolf Sep 2014 #134

YOU mentioned dodd-frank BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #136

but YOU quoted links that purported to support your position and now you refuse to quote them wyldwolf Sep 2014 #138

90% of the eight hour day link BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #141

but you gave links to support the following quote of yours: wyldwolf Sep 2014 #142

Ok: BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #145

that says nothing resembling what you said. Let me guess... you know what the writer meant to write. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #146

Uh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #147

here's what I'm expecting your links to prove: wyldwolf Sep 2014 #148

Well my point is that BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #149

but that isn't the point you originally set out to prove wyldwolf Sep 2014 #150

yes it is? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #151

No it isn't? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #152

Uh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #153

uh? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #155

Yeah, so lets go back to dodd-frank shall we? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #156

how about we stick to the subject (I don't care about social democrats in the EU) wyldwolf Sep 2014 #157

I did BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #159

you did not wyldwolf Sep 2014 #160

You cited dodd-frank as re-regulation BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #163

yes I did. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #164

Excuse me jumping in here. It's hard to find the original in this subthread. Some questions: freshwest Sep 2014 #183

Yes, all of those are regulations and re-regulations wyldwolf Sep 2014 #184

The general trajectory has not been towards increased regulation since the 80's BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #188

And that is yet a NEW argument from you in this thread. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #189

No that is a continuation of my statement that capitalism trends towards de-regulation? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #191

where else have you said "The general trajectory has not been towards increased regulation since... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #194

...looks like this leftstreet Sep 2014 #17

You gotta unmuzzle it sometime BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #18

Then why don't you marry it? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #77

Considering how successful my wife has been in her business I think I did Marry it wyldwolf Sep 2014 #93

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #95

This. Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #175

Incoming Pollyannas BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #8

All you should need is 1 reason. Taitertots Sep 2014 #10

Very good. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #78

Just regulate it like SWEDEN! BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #11

�The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.� ― Voltaire Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #12

So WHAT if you have to keep re-regulating it! BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #14

Big One: Uncontrolled Capitalism can lead to a Dark Ages AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #25

Too late BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #27

I like Capitalism. Throd Sep 2014 #28

most people here do. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #32

Lol BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #35

Lol wyldwolf Sep 2014 #41

Could be said of every system ever BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #46

Who are you to determine what a valid argument is? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #51

Yes, people benefit from systems. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #53

ok, sure wyldwolf Sep 2014 #56

Except I wasn't saying that a system has to be perfect BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #61

Quote the post where I said you can't criticize it wyldwolf Sep 2014 #62

If that wasn't your point BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #63

Quote the post where it was even implied wyldwolf Sep 2014 #65

Unstated conclusion in my estimation BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #71

You can't quote a post wyldwolf Sep 2014 #75

Ok BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #121

that IS my point. Why you chose to argue if for several hours is a mystery. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #123

Ok BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #124

what you're doing is refusing to accept people might actually LIKE capitalism... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #127

Incorrect BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #130

absolutely correct - the proof is in the thread wyldwolf Sep 2014 #132

What? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #135

so that's where you're going with this? LOL wyldwolf Sep 2014 #137

Yeah I'm seriously confused. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #139

Yes you are, we can agree on that. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #140

You won & your opponent can't admit defeat so they argue in circles. U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #167

^ this ^ defacto7 Sep 2014 #179

If you call 'winning' changing the topic and ignoring points every time he was in a corner... wyldwolf Sep 2014 #185

gross misrepresentation BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #187

perfect illustration wyldwolf Sep 2014 #190

What? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #192

What? wyldwolf Sep 2014 #193

I'm white ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #84

I never said you had to like it. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #90

That is true. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #92

That's fair. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #81

The only problem is that capitalism just isn't that into you Taitertots Sep 2014 #82

It doesn't have to be. Throd Sep 2014 #114

If you want to claim that anything that is good is a benefit, than everything that is bad is damage Taitertots Sep 2014 #115

That assumes they would not be impoverished under alternate systems. Throd Sep 2014 #118

?? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #120

Can't argue with that Throd Sep 2014 #125

It has an impact on the wealth disparity BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #126

Now you're talking about a certain type of Capitalism I don't support. Throd Sep 2014 #133

Yes BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #143

Billions of the world's poorest people live in capitalist countries Taitertots Sep 2014 #158

I like it too and so does President Obama. 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #178

I'm in favor of socialism. Under socialism we'd have single payer and colleges and universities Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #38

Tomorrow there will be people salivating over the new iPhone Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #45

Right now, boomers are salivating to get on Medicare leftstreet Sep 2014 #68

Toys are fun. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #86

Toys rely critically upon capitalism. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #89

Sure, that could be true. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #91

Yet you mentioned how much you like toys. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #94

I'm a fan of Market Style Socialism myself.... Xolodno Sep 2014 #55

Nice try. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #58

I enjoy disagreement. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #87

Without capitalism, there would be no righteous critiques of capitalism BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #59

Ha! nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #88

WORKER-OWNED CO-OPS FOREVER 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #60

Thank you... ReRe Sep 2014 #97

I am constantly amazed at how the worker-ownership silver bullet appears invisible to lefties ... 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #106

Because most people don't want, or aren't able, to run businesses. brooklynite Sep 2014 #113

I'm sure that's true for some people 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #122

I don't know, my friend... ReRe Sep 2014 #144

Hey! My wife works for one of those worker-owned co-ops....it's called a Wall Street law firm. brooklynite Sep 2014 #162

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No, it would not be better. Happy now? arcane1 Sep 2014 #169

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I guess it's because they're greedy old white guys. All four terms apply. arcane1 Sep 2014 #171

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You're trying too hard n/t arcane1 Sep 2014 #174

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+100 ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #177

Too for gone TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #186

$300 Million 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #195

No, it's not "shit" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #196

Someone apparently forgot to tell that to the people in Mondragon 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #199

Hmmmm TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #200

A Cooperative Bank 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #201

Why is is that you don't understand TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #202

"the Fed will not take big risks"? really? 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #203

That's because the crooks are giving away OUR money TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #204

That "too risky" sign hanging over the "Worker Co-op" option 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #206

sigh TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #207

Our difference 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #208

No! I am not saying they are less risky. NOT AT ALL! TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #209

Great. 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #210

Unrestrained, unbridled growth at the expense of everything else equals cancer. kairos12 Sep 2014 #79

Excellent! defacto7 Sep 2014 #180

Capitalism is the ruler of us all. Quantess Sep 2014 #80

Excellent read! kentuck Sep 2014 #96

Capitalism must be regulated to within an inch of its life. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #98

Thank you for this thread, ZombieHorde ReRe Sep 2014 #100

Capitalism is flawed on its basic precept RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #101

Actually, your precept is the one that's flawed. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #107

Economics in general may be RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #119

One of the highly touted defacto7 Sep 2014 #181

K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #165

Capitalism is a myth in a myth defacto7 Sep 2014 #182