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zipplewrath

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40. Yes but..... ya know

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:37 PM

Apr 2012

Yes, technically you are right. And I'll admit that I'd hate to be on his jury. I haven't paid any attention to the hoopla on this case because my only complaint was that he wasn't "arrested" immediately. (If he had, he'd been out the next day on his own unless he had the most incompetent lawyer in the world. Ya gotta understand Florida). But based upon Florida's EXTREMELY lenient laws, only INCLUDING SYG, it is going to be tough case.

None the less, I suspect that he will have a tough time defending his case because of all of the recorded evidence. But I am also aware of the problems with our criminal court system. At the end of the day, the problem may be our court system, not necessarily our insensitivity to the racial bias in our communities.

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George Zimmerman is PRESUMED innocent.... [View all] mike_c Apr 2012 OP

+1 Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #1

It's a shame that Trayvon Martin didn't have that choice of being innocent until proven guilty.. HipChick Apr 2012 #2

There's no evidence he was shot in the back. nt TheWraith Apr 2012 #7

Thought it as chest. emilyg Apr 2012 #11

I'm going to guess something... Fawke Em Apr 2012 #29

Yes, I was guessing a surveillance camera tabatha Apr 2012 #56

What I imagine is he mr_liberal Apr 2012 #75

Your imagination is wrong. U4ikLefty Apr 2012 #79

The eye witness said it was Zimmerman. nm mr_liberal Apr 2012 #80

Points for saying something unpopular, although I don't regret expressing my own opinion on it. nt TheWraith Apr 2012 #3

He is PRESUMED Innocent... Pilotguy Apr 2012 #4

indeed, that is a worthy correction.... mike_c Apr 2012 #8

lol got root Apr 2012 #14

yeah, I'm an addict.... mike_c Apr 2012 #26

too funny. robinlynne Apr 2012 #31

becuase I have all these things to do, but I keep clikcing on the latest too. wanting more. robinlynne Apr 2012 #32

:) got root Apr 2012 #38

Isn't it sad when you go to the greatest page after two or three hours and there are no new ops? robinlynne Apr 2012 #58

I'm a DU addict too. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #61

CRIMINALLY presumed innocent. That does not apply to public opinion. WingDinger Apr 2012 #20

+1 Motown_Johnny Apr 2012 #83

There is an irony in the language... cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #15

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #5

I think we can safely assume... liberalmuse Apr 2012 #6

The thing I had about all of it was cindyperry2010 Apr 2012 #9

this killer has already confessed got root Apr 2012 #10

To shooting, yes, but elleng Apr 2012 #21

to killing an innocent, and unarmed, kid, as well as instigating the confrontation got root Apr 2012 #37

It is a greater charge than I expected based on what I know. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #65

Would be less flame bait if OP said 'GZ is innocent until proven guilty.' elleng Apr 2012 #12

Yes, it is intended to pre-outrage cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #16

I've edited the OP to reflect that.... mike_c Apr 2012 #19

Yes, we often need to remind ourselves of that. elleng Apr 2012 #23

+ 1000 Oneka Apr 2012 #48

we're not a court or vice-presidents of the U.S. bigtree Apr 2012 #13

I bet that's how a lot of potential jurors feel. dkf Apr 2012 #62

You are correct XanaDUer Apr 2012 #17

No you are right. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I will be honest though I at one Justice wanted Apr 2012 #18

I can only speak for myself but Iris Apr 2012 #22

Only PRESUMED innocent in a court of law. Since he said he shot/killed Trayvon, he is guilty of uppityperson Apr 2012 #24

Completely agreed SteveABG Apr 2012 #25

Hell, I don't care. I hate the motherfucker just for being so dangerous. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #27

Innocent or not the disparate treatment that has been shown cannot be overlooked or denied. live love laugh Apr 2012 #28

By the court, yes. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #30

Presumed innocent by the legal system (courts), not by society. NutmegYankee Apr 2012 #33

More accurately the burden is on the prosecution Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #34

LOL. So many people here upset with the charge. Solomon Apr 2012 #35

Yea ...I tried this too and the hang em now mob piled on. Good luck. L0oniX Apr 2012 #36

By not having brought charges, George Zimmerman had been presumed not guilty of a crime indepat Apr 2012 #39

Yes but..... ya know zipplewrath Apr 2012 #40

Sorry, mike. In your scenario, cheney, too is presumed innocent Cerridwen Apr 2012 #41

PRESUMING HE'S INNOCENT, BUT . . . madashelltoo Apr 2012 #42

When you do turn on your computer, I hope you will read this. pennylane100 Apr 2012 #43

That is the courtroom legal standard bluestateguy Apr 2012 #44

+1 nashville_brook Apr 2012 #46

Three words "Duke Lacrosse Team"... soc7 Apr 2012 #45

Yes. I've thought about that case during the Trayvon public debacle. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #51

apples and oranges - imho got root Apr 2012 #52

if i was called to serve on the jury barbtries Apr 2012 #47

In a Court of Law. bluedigger Apr 2012 #49

You are correct. I want for him what I'd want for everyone: presumption of innocence. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #50

No flames, but the presumption of innocence is for a court of law Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #53

George Zimmerman didn't presume Trayvon Martin to be innocent until proven guilty. DrewFlorida Apr 2012 #54

Welcome to DU and good post. uppityperson Apr 2012 #55

Welcome to DU! yardwork Apr 2012 #63

Well said. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2012 #68

Hello bigwillq Apr 2012 #69

The positive thing in this is the 2nd degree murder charge - TBF Apr 2012 #85

This is only the umpteenth post about George's presumed innocence.. K Gardner Apr 2012 #57

Maybe of murder but he clearly saw blacks as suspicious and his stupid fucking mistakes Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #59

And all the Martin family and their supporters have been asking is for an ARREST csziggy Apr 2012 #60

I agree, mike_c JDPriestly Apr 2012 #64

Way to flog that straw lynch mob. enki23 Apr 2012 #66

No flames from me, Mike. Aristus Apr 2012 #67

Well, thank goodness he will finally face a court off law frazzled Apr 2012 #70

He is presumed innocent, and you presume us guilty of not understanding that. hmmm n/t Gore1FL Apr 2012 #71

The judge and jury at his trial have to give him a presumption of innocence. The rest of us don't. backscatter712 Apr 2012 #72

Amen. The saintly and the scum of the earth deserve the same protection under our Constitution. n/t RufusTFirefly Apr 2012 #73

+1 to infinity. nt Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #74

...in a court of law. Iggo Apr 2012 #76

and OJ was found not guilty of murder. provis99 Apr 2012 #77

I don't understand the distinction for us, those of us posting on a messge board DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #78

That's right. But the fact is, he was presumed mzmolly Apr 2012 #81

Presumed innocent in a court of law, the court of public opinion can think however it wants. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #82

No one in this matter have lost any enumerated rights at all (except for Trayvon...) LanternWaste Apr 2012 #84

In a court of law he's presumed innocent. I'm not in a court of law, nor on a jury. ehrnst Apr 2012 #86