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BzaDem

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24. So what? Are you actually suggesting that it would have gotten a non-negligible number of votes in

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:18 PM

Apr 2012

the Senate if Obama supported it?

It wouldn't have even gotten a vote. It would have suffered the same fate as Clinton's proposal, and for that matter Truman's proposal. In fact, many Democrats with very conservative electorates would love for nothing more than to Obama to come out in favor of single payer.

There are close questions in politics. This isn't one of them. That's why it is so frustrating to read arguments that are based on manifestly false premises -- premises that are obviously false to those that have studied our political system.

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Interesting. savalez Apr 2012 #1

This is why right here why they want this over turned so badly cindyperry2010 Apr 2012 #2

They don't want all of it overturned.. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #4

They want ProSense Apr 2012 #6

How many seniors will lose health care MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #8

Here, ProSense Apr 2012 #10

Fact: the President attempted to raise Medicare eligibility by 2 years MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #11

Do you have anything to say about ProSense's actual post? BzaDem Apr 2012 #12

I'm MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #21

To trade something away, don't you have to have it in the first place? BzaDem Apr 2012 #23

Two-Thirds of Americans want Medicare for All MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #26

No part of it is confusing me; I'm not the one who's confused. BzaDem Apr 2012 #27

We've had it your way for 20 years. Happy? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #30

The only reason we have Social Security is because FDR IGNORED views like yours. BzaDem Apr 2012 #31

Compromise vs. Capitulation MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #33

+1 nt freedom fighter jh Apr 2012 #34

So someone somewhere actually has the figures for current MLR? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #3

What ProSense Apr 2012 #5

To calculate any difference would require the actual current MLR.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #9

I think they said that whatever the various MLRs were for each insurance company, the amounts BzaDem Apr 2012 #14

I've never seen the actual figure for the current MLRs.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #15

That's one-tenth of one percent of health care costs MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #7

That's nice. How is that relevant to politics in this country? BzaDem Apr 2012 #13

It shows that 1% > 99%? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #16

When Sanders said that, Obama had already traded away Single Payer MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #20

So what? Are you actually suggesting that it would have gotten a non-negligible number of votes in BzaDem Apr 2012 #24

I guess we'll never know. MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #25

But that's the thing -- the vast majority of people who understand our political system DO know. BzaDem Apr 2012 #28

I utterly despise being sold to an entity I blame for the deaths of loved ones.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #29

The real question is: are you willing to tell 16 million people that they can't have Medicaid, BzaDem Apr 2012 #32

This is the motivating dynamic that will drive up health care costs even faster than Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #17

K & R. lonestarnot Apr 2012 #18

$10 per person zipplewrath Apr 2012 #19

Good start. Then the govt can give consumers/tax payers back a few trillion. Zax2me Apr 2012 #22

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