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jp11

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13. What?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:28 PM
Apr 2012

How is what has been 'standard' discouraging them?

Even during the sputnik era it was the fighter/experimental pilots who were championed and became the astronauts ie 'rockstars'. The 'nerds' were relegated to building the technology etc and while needed not celebrated as the astronauts.

For years/decades/centuries it has been the stereotype alpha male that is encouraged, from society to fathers wanting sons to 'be proud of'. The son who spent time in the lab was often the 'shame' of the family over the footballer or jock. Only in more recent decades has there been more of an acceptance or understanding that intellectualism among men isn't a weakness though you might not know this from pop culture.

If women are surpassing men in college, and they have been for a while, it has been because men have 'accepted' the stereotype that they need to be 'mindless' or that applying themselves to academics or other skilled training programs wasn't manly. We could also guess it might be because many are out to prove themselves by becoming 'earners' to prove their worth as mates as they have been pressured to do so for so long. Many doing this only to be surpassed by women going to college and getting an education and better careers making more money and often looking down on those men who didn't go to college.

While women have become more liberated and applied themselves to casting off their stereotype roles of homemakers and wives serving their men the same is often not true of men. Many of whom still see a 'need' or 'desire' to be the 'breadwinner' not just for their own egos but to show their worth and making the 'mistake' of thinking they can do that absent post secondary education.

While I agree men have been and are still often portrayed as being stupid/rude as well as being considered less than women, ie death objects, it isn't the sole reason they don't apply themselves towards academics. To impress women, gain their freedom, prove their 'manliness' many men will jump into the workforce for short term financial gains over staying 'dependent' and going to school/etc.

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Young Men Discouraged From Science [View all] TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 OP
Yes, I've been disturbed by that media meme for years. It's intentional by media. freshwest Apr 2012 #1
Cept for one thing. Employers are preferring liberal arts, not MBA. WingDinger Apr 2012 #2
What does an MBA have to do with science? JHB Apr 2012 #16
Uh....since when? bighughdiehl Apr 2012 #21
There was an article here, just yesterday. WingDinger Apr 2012 #28
Didn't see the article bighughdiehl Apr 2012 #30
When I was in school during the sixties and early seventies drm604 Apr 2012 #3
Not new, but possibly worse. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #4
Again. Nothing new. drm604 Apr 2012 #5
the economic drivers back then were different than today Johonny Apr 2012 #6
I was a science geek, good at math, and in the Chess club, in HS, tell me about it quaker bill Apr 2012 #8
Science geek, good at math, and in the freaking BAND! drm604 Apr 2012 #9
This may date me a bit, but the band was cool when I was in HS quaker bill Apr 2012 #15
I'm talking 60s and 70s drm604 Apr 2012 #17
Got you beat: Science geek, good at math, glee club, and theatre. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #20
Ooh, glee club! drm604 Apr 2012 #22
Musicals, actually, not plays. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #23
Oh. No that probably wouldn't have interested me. drm604 Apr 2012 #26
It's one of the few musicals that made a good transition to the big screen. gkhouston Apr 2012 #31
They're just discouraged Permanut Apr 2012 #7
Go into science, become unpopular with the girls, get laughed at by the boys for being a nerd, Zalatix Apr 2012 #10
Maybe that's the part that's changed. drm604 Apr 2012 #18
I watched computer engineering jobs go overseas in the 1990s Zalatix Apr 2012 #29
Learn to manage corporate networks. drm604 Apr 2012 #32
TONS of competition for that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #35
Hey, no argument about that. drm604 Apr 2012 #36
Do you have any data to support this anecdote? That young men are discouraged from science? riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #11
Yes. God forbid we have an educated and informed populace. Initech Apr 2012 #12
What? jp11 Apr 2012 #13
I disagree SATIRical Apr 2012 #33
Is this true? I'm in my 50's, so it's been a while since I've been in school. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #14
“Mr. Spock Is Dreamy!” .:. by Isaac Asimov JHB Apr 2012 #19
some practical observations jobendorfer Apr 2012 #24
Young men are discouraged from college in general. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #25
It's the nutty American emphasis on SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS mainer Apr 2012 #27
Academic competitions don't have huge ESPN contracts pstokely Apr 2012 #34
Wow, it's like you've been sitting in on the high school classes I teach Bucky Apr 2012 #37
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