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51. He wasn't FORCED to push the TPP behind closed doors...

Wed Sep 10, 2014, 12:13 PM

Sep 2014

... and other trade deals that he's signed for that matter...

He wasn't forced to not say NO to the Keystone Oil pipeline...
He wasn't forced to pull back from even negotiating putting in a single payer or a public option in the health care bill negotiations...
He wasn't forced to endorse drone attacks that even targeted American nationals without due process.
He wasn't forced to put in place and keep Tom Wheeler as the lobbyist head of the FCC that wants to trash net neutrality for us.
He wasn't forced to put in DINO Rahm Emmanuel as his chief of staff that corporatistized Obama's cabinet so much.
He wasn't forced to put in Wall Street lobbyist Eric Holder in as his Attorney General that has lead to absolutely NOTHING being done to prosecute the criminal actions of Wall Street, a record far worse than even Ronald Reagan's administration, which prosecuted and jailed many of the criminals in the Savings and Loan crisis.

There are many more issues that I could go on with... But the bottom line is that most of what Obama will be remembered for are pushing for a few social issue reforms that the party demanded action on, but which wouldn't upset his corporate cronies in terms of what they've paid him to do. We'll be having the same problems with Hillary Clinton if we're not careful in who we elect in 2016 too...

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Michael Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President .. [View all] kpete Sep 2014 OP

and in 100 years Michael Moore will be remembered for.... snooper2 Sep 2014 #1

I'll help you LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #27

BO first black pres. BO not a game changer erodriguez Sep 2014 #200

For telling the President who dug us out of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression pnwmom Sep 2014 #119

Future generations will marvel at his patience and may attribute the worst cliche. gordianot Sep 2014 #2

I'm certainly marveling at Obama's patience. I would have lost it a long time ago n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #90

I would love to be a fly on the wall when he shoots baskets alone loyalsister Sep 2014 #167

I don't know if MM was trying to be sarcastic underpants Sep 2014 #3

I think that headline is BS, the remarks out of context. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #76

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Fat "joke." Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #9

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #11

Are you serious? PAProgressive28 Sep 2014 #23

You agree with Moore that Obama is nothing geek tragedy Sep 2014 #24

Don't be obtuse AndreaCG Sep 2014 #42

The person rec'd the thread, posted their agreement geek tragedy Sep 2014 #44

Don't feed the trolls beerandjesus Sep 2014 #59

Except that is not at all what Moore said. Not even close. arcane1 Sep 2014 #108

He said Obama's only accomplishment is his skin geek tragedy Sep 2014 #117

As a bigger guy I know they get made but Michael Moore isn't known to be classy himself Arcanetrance Sep 2014 #16

That post has been hidden 4-3 - I call it a hung jury, alp227 Sep 2014 #169

Not surprised by the alert, Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #188

Classy weight insult! How progressive of you! nt Logical Sep 2014 #132

And how progressive of michael moore to disregard everything else the president and make it all Arcanetrance Sep 2014 #158

Make some Christie weight jokes also. I am sure there are also some over weight DUers you.... Logical Sep 2014 #159

So you decide to hurl insults at me by saying I'm a 10 year old Arcanetrance Sep 2014 #162

Boy are you obtuse. nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #171

Six years in. Octafish Sep 2014 #5

Perhaps you should speak with your Governor about that. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #94

Well, Washington could do more. Don't you think? Octafish Sep 2014 #99

Yes, of course. How can I not sympathize? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #122

Obama to Detroit: Drop Dead. Romulox Sep 2014 #106

Then the Feds bailed out New York City. Octafish Sep 2014 #118

A black president who was re-elected and who began the process to WI_DEM Sep 2014 #6

Michael Moore goes racist. Pathetic and proof geek tragedy Sep 2014 #7

I'm also extremely disappointed in Moore brush Sep 2014 #86

Nah, I doubt MM's a racist. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #110

Zzzzz. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #115

That's not a disagreement on an issue treestar Sep 2014 #121

Clarify, please? nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #125

Correct. 840high Sep 2014 #135

Hello, Joe.. we're not saying Michael Moore is "racist" because he "disagrees" with the President.. Cha Sep 2014 #142

And I have my reasons to doubt there was any racist intent...or even content, within that statement. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #145

And, I have my reasons to know it doesn't matter if Michael Moore is Ignorant of Cha Sep 2014 #146

"but, it's still RACIST." That, we can't assume. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #148

Intent is not magical. KitSileya Sep 2014 #170

" Intent is not magical." Never said or implied it was. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #175

This has nothing to do with my support for the President.. Michael Moore is a racist Piece of shite Cha Sep 2014 #180

I know huh? Not only is a fucking ignorant blowhard.. he's a racist POS. Cha Sep 2014 #131

You may have missed what his point was.. MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #166

No one missed the point of Michael Moore's ignorant dismissive of President Obama only being Cha Sep 2014 #189

+1,000. He had to go for the cheap shot. As The Magistrate said: freshwest Sep 2014 #185

careful Geek- you're getting alerts for "not adding to the discussion" bettyellen Sep 2014 #196

There was so much promise at the beginning. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #8

Ok...some things couldn't get done because of obstructionist in the GOP and his own party....but kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #19

MM is waaayyy off on this IMO. MM will be long forgotten, but Obama will be long RKP5637 Sep 2014 #10

Being the first black US President is a big deal leftstreet Sep 2014 #12

Moore may be correct. earthside Sep 2014 #13

He has been the President he has been allowed to be by the people and their elected officials. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #20

He wasn't FORCED to push the TPP behind closed doors... cascadiance Sep 2014 #51

Oh, sounds like you're a racist too! beerandjesus Sep 2014 #61

And you left out that I'm a sexist too! :) cascadiance Sep 2014 #81

Absolutely! beerandjesus Sep 2014 #91

Not to mention all the Bush admin crooks who kept their jobs BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #65

True heaven05 Sep 2014 #75

They called him every name in the book, including that "socialist" Hitler too! :) cascadiance Sep 2014 #79

really? heaven05 Sep 2014 #139

Google it... They're all over the place... cascadiance Sep 2014 #160

Hmm.. really? Please explain TPP and give all sides of the issue. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #84

TPP? Google it to find out more... It's a lot like NAFTA, but on steroids... cascadiance Sep 2014 #93

HE CAN'T WAVE A MAGIC WAND!!! Skittles Sep 2014 #155

The nature of TPP means it must be secret. joshcryer Sep 2014 #178

Did the people prevent him from NOT bailing out Wall St.? Airc, a majority of the people sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #67

When you fight a losing battle, you end up making your enemies stronger. randome Sep 2014 #22

The apathy of American voters for local and midterm elections... theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #43

+1000% - A truly disappointing performance mazzarro Sep 2014 #78

I agree with everything you've said laundry_queen Sep 2014 #172

Pres. Obama got the stimulus bill passed, arresting the drain of 400,000 jobs per month. pnwmom Sep 2014 #202

Someone is unhappy. randome Sep 2014 #14

Oh, come on.....really? AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #144

I think there is more they will remember: ACA, LGBT, and we may remember how the white jwirr Sep 2014 #15

Ouch!!! nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #21

What race will be the majority then? upaloopa Sep 2014 #30

It will be between the black race and the hispanics IMO. But it will more likely be a unity of jwirr Sep 2014 #33

No race will be a majority then you are saying. upaloopa Sep 2014 #34

That is my guess. jwirr Sep 2014 #37

brown kpete Sep 2014 #45

Mauve. randome Sep 2014 #64

I love kpete Sep 2014 #138

Ahhh . . . there won't be a majority race brush Sep 2014 #92

And there's another one who struggles to remain relevant while we have a decent person in the WH. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #17

Or, he will be remembered for the few things he did do. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #18

In 100 years people will remember none of those things. former9thward Sep 2014 #28

Woodrow Wilson was President, 100 years ago. Archae Sep 2014 #32

sad kpete Sep 2014 #46

Yeah this is true BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #54

Iraq war end? When repubs complain about Iraq, we remind them that Bush signed the SOFA arcane1 Sep 2014 #114

The leftier than thou crowd will kick him around like they do with Bill for decades aikoaiko Sep 2014 #25

Some, perhaps, but not *all* of them, by any means. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #147

I've thought about Obama in "history" as well PAProgressive28 Sep 2014 #26

i'd bet shrub would trade his place in history for "largely forgotten" any day! unblock Sep 2014 #29

Shark, jumped. tridim Sep 2014 #31

100 years from now Moore will be remembered for his grandstanding and inaction. Archae Sep 2014 #36

I doubt Michael Moore will be remembered in 100 years mythology Sep 2014 #124

His legacy on gay rights is secure... TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #35

He's done nothing beyond getting out of the way. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #190

People, including those on the Left, began carping and complaining about him THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE. 6000eliot Sep 2014 #38

How racist of him rbrnmw Sep 2014 #39

See post 110. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #111

To a point I agree with MM. deathrind Sep 2014 #40

Like the OP said, Pres. O has major 'big deals'. It's all good for MM to push for more 'big deals' Sunlei Sep 2014 #41

Sunlei kpete Sep 2014 #47

That is kind of like saying Progressive dog Sep 2014 #48

Eh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #52

You seem to have missed my point, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #191

Exactly. I find it bewildering that democrats expected Obama to be a black wizard or have some Pisces Sep 2014 #55

Isn't it true that more is always expected of black than others? nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #82

Moore has a point BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #49

Once again Progressives EATTING there own bigdarryl Sep 2014 #50

Is he slamming Obama, or how little history most people know? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #53

Sure : geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

Moore is partly right. LexVegas Sep 2014 #56

Wrong.. President Obama wasn't "homophobic" so quit spreading shit. "May" be remembered for Cha Sep 2014 #137

Actually, LBJ's Great Society was the first initiative to get HC for those who had none... MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #198

He should be remembered fondly by Wall Street for the amazing recovery he presided over tularetom Sep 2014 #57

I'm pretty sure in 100 years, most will remember Michael Moore... Drunken Irishman Sep 2014 #60

history will note ... napkinz Sep 2014 #62

he'll likely be scorned over AGW by then stupidicus Sep 2014 #63

famous white people who have racially charged things to say, should run in by their black friends La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #66

He probably ran it by Cornell West and Tavis Smiley and got the go ahead... stevenleser Sep 2014 #100

I hope some historians will remember the TeaParty fadedrose Sep 2014 #68

... Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #96

Obama's the first black president but we needed an FDR or a Teddy AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #69

And that would have made the difference with THIS Congress? CakeGrrl Sep 2014 #88

Do people read history books anymore? geek tragedy Sep 2014 #104

Fortunately, Michael Moore is nothing but a racist POS Ignorant Blowhard with his head up his a$$. Cha Sep 2014 #136

Obama needed a Democratic Congress!! Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #149

I think he's definitely been trying. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #150

Depends on who writes the history lunasun Sep 2014 #70

Getting Osama Bin Laden was probably his biggest accomplishment BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #71

And that is when the haters went wild on him. He accomplished what they couldn't under Bush. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #83

That was certainly ONE of his best accomplishments, IMHO. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #113

I can't disagree with Moore much on that. NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #72

well, mikeyboy heaven05 Sep 2014 #73

Moore hasn't seen the list apparently Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #74

This from a man who is cocooned by white privilege. riqster Sep 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #112

Pathetic whiny idiocy CakeGrrl Sep 2014 #80

Thanks MM...no more contributions to you. And thanks for helping the opposition achieve their goals kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #85

In less than 100 years back Go Vols Sep 2014 #87

NONsense MisterP Sep 2014 #89

'Screwed around on global warming'? randome Sep 2014 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author conservaphobe Sep 2014 #101

I'm still thinking about the OP Nevada Blue Sep 2014 #95

I like Moore. Puglover Sep 2014 #98

Speak for yourself Moore SummerSnow Sep 2014 #102

Sad that MM is now just a caricature of his former self. Rex Sep 2014 #103

He will also be remembered for being impeached like Clinton. Kablooie Sep 2014 #105

Obama will be remembered for bailing out the banks, first and foremost. Romulox Sep 2014 #107

Michael Moore's got it wrong on Obama. He's put up with more shit than any other Dem President..... AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #109

GW Bush says thank you for the Nader endorsement Moore. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #116

Footnote to history said what??? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #120

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #123

MM has gone back to huffing I see madokie Sep 2014 #126

Obama could've been a truly transformative president, had he been so inclined. Marr Sep 2014 #127

Yes, we are all disappointed that he could not become the dictator the Right says he is. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #128

Right, because there's nothing between the course he chose and being a dictator. /nt Marr Sep 2014 #130

What's a "transformative President?" treestar Sep 2014 #133

Another dictator strawman. Marr Sep 2014 #140

Well what is a transformative president? treestar Sep 2014 #163

Why is Obama stuck with it? He isn't-- obviously. Marr Sep 2014 #164

What is a transformative President? treestar Sep 2014 #168

From this I'll remember Michael Moore as being a big fucking Ignorant blow hard. Cha Sep 2014 #129

Michael I love you, but you ain't helping with comments like that... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #134

I'm surprised MM doesn't already think Obama knows this. nt Sivafae Sep 2014 #141

Knows what? That Michael Moore is an ignorant blowhard piece of racist shite? The Cha Sep 2014 #143

Hey Moore, how was the auto industry doing on Jan 20, 2009?...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #151

Didn't Moore's fame start with a movie about the auto industry? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #157

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MM is probably upset he isn't making the money he used to, he needs someone like Bush JI7 Sep 2014 #153

Moore has seen too many movies with what Spike Lee calls sufrommich Sep 2014 #154

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MM is a hatr flamingdem Sep 2014 #161

He needs to stop talking. ucrdem Sep 2014 #165

Wow. There sure are a lot of embarrasing posts in this thread. Take a breath and count to 10, pls. C Moon Sep 2014 #173

I honestly agree. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #176

The Embarrassment is all on Michael Moore for his ignorant stupid declaration. Cha Sep 2014 #179

Actually, it's you. (eom) CanSocDem Sep 2014 #193

you just embarrassed yourself, CanSocDem. Cha Sep 2014 #195

and how much will MM be remembered in history ... mostly with a big ole "WHO?" nt Raine Sep 2014 #174

What a hateful and patently false thing to say. joshcryer Sep 2014 #177

I dunno about hateful, but it *is* false, certainly. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #181

All you have to do is read the Yahoo! comments. joshcryer Sep 2014 #183

"Hateful can mean to precipitate hate." This wasn't the case, here. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #186

Dismissing a sitting President as only being notable for being black is insulting. joshcryer Sep 2014 #187

Michael Moore, what will he be remembered for? Voting for Nader in 2000 still_one Sep 2014 #182

A president's legacy is made by whether the country was better off, the same, or worse off. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #184

MM's comment isn't racist, and he's right. chrisa Sep 2014 #192

Add "new boos, same as the old boss" to your title and you could have stopped there. Dawgs Sep 2014 #194

Left wing racist garbage bluestateguy Sep 2014 #197

You got this wrong: He slamed those trying to do it. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #199

Is it just me or is it sounding a little Republican in this thread? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #201