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pampango

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Wed Sep 10, 2014, 01:17 PM Sep 2014

Russia calls for Lithuania to hand over 1500 conscripts who refused to join Soviet army in 1990-91. [View all]


Soviet military glories are often revived for Russian parades

Lithuania says Russia reopens Soviet conscripts cases

Russia appears to be reopening criminal investigations against Lithuanians who refused to serve in the Soviet armed forces after the country declared independence nearly 25 years ago.

The Lithuanian prosecutor-general's office says Russia has asked for legal assistance over Lithuanians who defied orders to do their Soviet military service in 1990-91, the Delfi news portal reports. But the request was denied, a spokeswoman says, since it does not involve a criminal offence in Lithuania. The news has prompted Lithuanian security services to strongly advise the relevant people not to go to Russia or other non-EU and non-Nato countries for now. Doing so could "jeopardise the personal safety of citizens", they say.

After Lithuania declared independence from the USSR in March 1990, more than 1,500 young men obeyed a call from pro-independence leaders not to join the Soviet military, according to official figures. Almost everyone went into hiding, but dozens of people were jailed or forcibly drafted. Outstanding cases were dropped after the USSR's collapse.

There is reportedly rising concern among Lithuanians that Russia is adopting a more assertive stance towards former Soviet countries. Adding to the tensions, a Russian national was arrested in March in Lithuania in connection with the 1991 attack by Soviet forces on the Vilnius TV tower, in which 14 people died.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-29111188

From this article is sounds like the former soldiers that Russia wants handed over are Lithuanians who refused to join the Soviet army after their country declared independence. That seems like an odd request since the Soviet army does not exist anymore and "outstanding cases were dropped after the USSR's collapse."

The reference to a Russian arrested in Lithuania apparently refers to cases like this:


Lithuania detains a Russian citizen suspected of 1991 crimes

A Russian former tank officer was detained by a Lithuanian court on Friday on suspicion of involvement in a 1991 Soviet Army attack aimed at halting the Baltic state's drive for independence from the Soviet Union, the General Prosecutor's office said. Thirteen civilians were killed and more than 1,000 wounded when Soviet troops stormed Vilnius's TV tower and a building of the national broadcaster on January 13, 1991. Infantrymen fired shots and a tank fired blank rounds into a crowd at the tower.

The Prosecutor's office said a Vilnius court ordered the detention for two months pending investigation of a Russian citizen it named as Yuri Mel, born in 1968, on suspicion of committing crimes against humanity and war crimes in Vilnius.

The former lieutenant had been arrested at Lithuania's border crossing point with Russia's Kaliningrad exclave on Wednesday, the prosecutor office said. Lithuanian media said he had been on a visit and was held while returning to Kaliningrad. Moscow is highly sensitive to any attempt to prosecute its former soldiers, especially in ex-Soviet states.

Lithuanian prosecutors are seeking a total of 79 citizens of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus over the 1991 case. "We have sent around hundred request for assistance to Russian prosecutors, but they all were totally ignored," Elena Martinoniene, a spokeswoman at the General Prosecutor office, told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-lithuania-russia-detention-idUSBREA2D1PL20140314
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Anyone Who Does Not Think Putin Is Angling For The Baltic States, Sir, Is Not Paying Attention The Magistrate Sep 2014 #1
I hope you are wrong, but fear you are right. pampango Sep 2014 #2
There Really Is Something Reminiscent Of The Thirties In All This, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #3
Yes I am seeing it Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #29
It Is The Blend I Find Interesting, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #30
and they have been Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #31
It Is True, Sir, Conditions Were In Some Ways Peculiarly Favorable The Magistrate Sep 2014 #38
What it really boils down to: is the US willing to go to war with Russia? Hugabear Sep 2014 #7
Well, considering all those countries you listed are NATO members NuclearDem Sep 2014 #8
It always has a choice. former9thward Sep 2014 #9
If the US wants to avoid that, it would have to withdraw from NATO. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #10
Who is going to enforce it? former9thward Sep 2014 #11
If none of the NATO members would commit to a conflict with Russia NuclearDem Sep 2014 #13
Many, many treaties have been broken by nations over the years including the U.S. former9thward Sep 2014 #18
Alright, so just a big middle finger to the Baltics then. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #19
So you are willing to have 150 million American incinerated for Estonia. former9thward Sep 2014 #20
No. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #21
And how is this "intimidation" going to happen? former9thward Sep 2014 #22
We can start by not treating the Baltics as throwaway states but as allies. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #23
And your desire to go to war doesn't surprise me in the least. former9thward Sep 2014 #24
I'm interested in actually preventing one, thanks. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #26
Neville Chamberlain would be so proud of you. IronGate Sep 2014 #32
To Be Fair To Chamberlain, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #33
Interesting. IronGate Sep 2014 #34
I Recommend To You This Work, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #35
Just ordered it from Amazon. IronGate Sep 2014 #36
You Will Enjoy It, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #37
I will ask you what the other poster totally ignored. former9thward Sep 2014 #39
You damn well stand up to aggression, IronGate Sep 2014 #41
Not specific at all. former9thward Sep 2014 #42
Stand up to agression means just that, IronGate Sep 2014 #43
What specific action? former9thward Sep 2014 #44
Troop and equipment buildup, IronGate Sep 2014 #46
You not liking my answer is not the same as me ignoring the question. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #49
When can we expect you to stop putting up strawmen in your posts? former9thward Sep 2014 #51
Well, since you were fine with the Russians persecuting the Tatars NuclearDem Sep 2014 #52
Who is the "we" you keep referring to? former9thward Sep 2014 #53
Terrific dodge! NuclearDem Sep 2014 #55
I don't play the stawmen game. former9thward Sep 2014 #56
Russia and China fought border skirmishes for decades. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #47
That Goes Way Back, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #48
as the joke goes sire, in 200 years it will be Ukraine and China having geek tragedy Sep 2014 #50
Not paying attention or are being Deliberately Obtuse. Cha Sep 2014 #14
Deliberately Obtuse, Ma'am, Or Actively In Support, Are Other Possibilities.... The Magistrate Sep 2014 #15
Yes, Thank you ,Sir! Cha Sep 2014 #16
Wow. Just...wow. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #4
I've seen pro-Russian posters on the net say this is a petty, dumb move by Russia muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #5
Troubling. nt conservaphobe Sep 2014 #6
“It [the Sudetenland] is the last territorial claim that I have to make in Europe.” hobbit709 Sep 2014 #12
When we said Putin wants to resurrect the Soviet empire we were dismissed as hyperbolic. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #17
When Putin came for Crimea, concerns were brushed aside. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #27
Putin has lost his mind. karynnj Sep 2014 #25
Are there any other links for this? "Russia appears to" and "The Lithuanian Karmadillo Sep 2014 #28
Any breach of NATO borders means a massive war. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #40
The borders of the Baltics need a lot more troops and surveillance equipment. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #45
That's just bizarre. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #54
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