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Tommy_Carcetti

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36. A mere appeal to authority is a fallacious position.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:50 PM
Sep 2014

I don't need to be the President of The Institute for the Study of Long-Term Economic Trends and be some Wall Street analyst to understand what I have seen and read on the news regarding the events in Ukraine in February 2014. It's all quite simple--demonstrable evidence shows that Victor Yanukovych left Ukraine voluntarily and under his own willpower, that it was his own calculated decision to leave. Hence, the label of a "coup" is highly inaccurate, given that the evidence does not conform to the accepted definition of the term.

If you are arguing that there was a coup, it is your burden to prove, not mine. You are the one pushing the conspiracy theory that the west conspired with ultranationalists and yada yada yada Yanukoych must have been forcibly removed from power. To date, all I've heard in support of this theory is that Valerie Nuland handed out cookies at Maidan, Valerie Nuland had a telephone conversation weeks before Yanukovych left Ukraine, and John McCain visited Kyiv months before Yanukovych left Ukraine. None of this in the least bit proves that he was forcibly removed from power against his will by a small, identifiable conspiring group.

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This is why Kissinger. Octafish Sep 2014 #1
DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #2
Guess who's talking at Yalta? Octafish Sep 2014 #5
Ironically, in a piece called "Losing Credibility", the piece loses its own credibility.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #3
Michael Hudson Octafish Sep 2014 #4
That's lovely. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #23
Isn't it, though? Octafish Sep 2014 #26
If you define "integrity" as someone who blatantly lies in the face of truth, sure. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #27
No. Integrity means he pegged the banksters from Day 1. Octafish Sep 2014 #28
Calling it right in America in 2008 doesn't make him any less wrong.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #30
When so many people are saying the same thing, people who actually sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #31
Who are all the people claiming that there was a coup in Ukraine? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #32
I'm saying the OPPOSITE. I'm saying that video evidence AND audio evidence of the coup sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #34
You are smart enough to realize that not all regime changes are "coups", correct? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #35
Yanukovich was driven from his position as elected president of Ukraine by months of sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #37
Regardless of your personal charactarization of the Maidan protests, Yanukovych was not removed.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #38
Utter baloney.... Xolodno Sep 2014 #42
Yanukovych had a tendency of saying one thing and doing another. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #43
The fact it took him three days doesn't prove.. Xolodno Sep 2014 #44
You're playing fast and loose with the concept of a "coup" now. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #48
No where near as "fast and loose" as the installation of the Bush/Cheney regime and the blowback bobthedrummer Sep 2014 #50
Okay? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #51
Seriously, how many more sources, and there are now literally thousands across the globe sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #6
Lot of people don't understand how the World Bank works or Rex Sep 2014 #8
I know, but here on DU, it's hard to believe there is a single person who needs an 'assessment' sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #9
Also that was back on DU2 when it was a less strict forum. We could talk all day Rex Sep 2014 #10
It would be funny if it weren't so sad malaise Sep 2014 #13
I'm more than happy to read an honest, objective analysis of the IMF. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #25
I believe you are speaking for yourself. The author's credentials sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #33
A mere appeal to authority is a fallacious position. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #36
Excellent article, thank you. This was all about the IMF V Ukraine being independent of the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #7
Larry Summers to address Yalta European Strategy (YES) conference, being held in Kiev this year... Octafish Sep 2014 #18
Great article deserves a Kick. nt elias49 Sep 2014 #11
The article is right on the mark... MattSh Sep 2014 #12
The force behind the creation of the IMF and World Bank - FDR. Who wants out of both - pampango Sep 2014 #14
The IMF and World Bank long ago strayed from anything they were intended for originally. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #39
Then who loans money to countries that need it? Rich countries, rich corporations, rich pampango Sep 2014 #41
Take Ukraine. The government had a choice, take the IMF loans which have MAJOR strings sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #45
Perhaps Yanukovich made a wise choice but he was reversing a campaign pledge. People cared. pampango Sep 2014 #47
Excellent response. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #52
Vladimir Putin said he could "take Kiev in two weeks” Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #15
Ukraine prefers to face repossession by the west than repossession by russia mathematic Sep 2014 #16
I would rather someone make me a loan than annex part of my property (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #17
Me too, which is why I would avoid any loans from the IMF, where that is their very goal, to sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #40
Only if Ukraine means malaise Sep 2014 #19
BKliban explained... Octafish Sep 2014 #20
ROFL malaise Sep 2014 #21
LOL leftstreet Sep 2014 #29
excellent woo me with science Sep 2014 #49
"You don't understand.....that Ukraine is not even a state." Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #24
kicking.....n/t Hotler Sep 2014 #22
The Kamikaze Economics and Politics of Forcing Austerity on the Ukraine Octafish Sep 2014 #46
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