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magical thyme

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40. Per Pew Research the 2008 crash cost $108K per household
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 03:56 PM
Sep 2014
September 2008 crash cost $108K per US household
The Pew Trust has done the math and it turns out the economic crash of 2008 incurred about $108,000 per US household in costs and stock and house-price losses:
http://boingboing.net/2010/05/25/september-2008-crash.html

The velocity of (money) circulation and inflation
....During the period of quantitative easing, we saw a big rise in the monetary base, but, inflation didn’t increase....To be more precise, banks didn’t want to lend this extra increase in the money supply, they just kept bigger bank reserves. Therefore, the money supply didn’t filter through to the wider economy.....
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/9373/inflation/velocity-circulation-inflation/

What Is the Quantity Theory of Money?

The concept of the quantity theory of money (QTM) began in the 16th century. As gold and silver inflows from the Americas into Europe were being minted into coins, there was a resulting rise in inflation. This led economist Henry Thornton in 1802 to assume that more money equals more inflation and that an increase in money supply does not necessarily mean an increase in economic output. Here we look at the assumptions and calculations underlying the QTM, as well as its relationship to monetarism and ways the theory has been challenged.

The quantity theory of money states that there is a direct relationship between the quantity of money in an economy and the level of prices of goods and services sold. According to QTM, if the amount of money in an economy doubles, price levels also double, causing inflation (the percentage rate at which the level of prices is rising in an economy). The consumer therefore pays twice as much for the same amount of the good or service.

QTM Assumptions
QTM adds assumptions to the logic of the equation of exchange. In its most basic form, the theory assumes that V (velocity of circulation) and T (volume of transactions) are constant in the short term. These assumptions, however, have been criticized, particularly the assumption that V is constant. The arguments point out that the velocity of circulation depends on consumer and business spending impulses, which cannot be constant.

The theory also assumes that the quantity of money, which is determined by outside forces, is the main influence of economic activity in a society. A change in money supply results in changes in price levels and/or a change in supply of goods and services. It is primarily these changes in money stock that cause a change in spending. And the velocity of circulation depends not on the amount of money available or on the current price level but on changes in price levels.

QTM Re-Experienced
John Maynard Keynes challenged the theory in the 1930s, saying that increases in money supply lead to a decrease in the velocity of circulation and that real income, the flow of money to the factors of production, increased. Therefore, velocity could change in response to changes in money supply. It was conceded by many economists after him that Keynes' idea was accurate.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/05/010705.asp

In case it is not yet obvious to you, what I am saying is that the crash of 2008 vaporized $100,000/family from the economy. The fed attempted to restore that money to the economy by giving the banks $16T to lend back to the people who were robbed. However, the banks are sitting on the $16T (not that the people who were robbed should be required to borrow back the money that was destroyed). Therefore, the economy -- and more specifically, the people who owned that money -- is still short that $16T. If the fed provides the $16T directly to the people who were robbed, it will begin to circulate again. It will not cause inflation. It will go a long way toward making the victims of the 2008 theft whole again.



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Bush did that. Printed checks with his name on them. louis-t Sep 2014 #1
Foreign Affairs says something around 2k should do it big_dog Sep 2014 #2
Bought a lot of votes lame54 Sep 2014 #4
Does inflation ring a bell? upaloopa Sep 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author big_dog Sep 2014 #5
That is what Republicans say about minimum wage. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #6
Except the poster said nothing about the minimum wage. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #7
It's got nothing to do with politics. upaloopa Sep 2014 #8
This is Econ 101 tkmorris Sep 2014 #10
That makes some serious and unwarranted assumptions Lefty Thinker Sep 2014 #11
I kept it simple just because it seemed like that is what upaloopa Sep 2014 #14
With That Background. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #53
We're suffering from stagflation... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #12
Because there is no worth to the money. upaloopa Sep 2014 #15
Theory only gets you so far... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #16
You know that they are called the 1% for a reason don't you? upaloopa Sep 2014 #17
au contraire... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #43
New rule: no mentioning Econ 101 until you take 301,302.... Taitertots Sep 2014 #20
I guess you can give a discussion on what you mean then upaloopa Sep 2014 #22
Inflation...? CEO pay up over 900% since '78.... Bigmack Sep 2014 #37
Remember Romney's 47%? Some of them live right here upaloopa Sep 2014 #38
Can we print enough to put in our own offshore accounts, too? nt valerief Sep 2014 #9
We gave some $16 trillion to the banks to "lend" to us magical thyme Sep 2014 #13
there are issues you are not aware of upaloopa Sep 2014 #24
I am aware that more dollars chasing fewer goods = inflation magical thyme Sep 2014 #25
There is a reason we are not doing what you say we should. upaloopa Sep 2014 #28
like the right? seriously?!? I explained why I don't think it won't cause inflation magical thyme Sep 2014 #29
You have nothing to support what you say. No evidence, history upaloopa Sep 2014 #39
Per Pew Research the 2008 crash cost $108K per household magical thyme Sep 2014 #40
and I hear crickets. No surprise, since my statements are supported by facts. magical thyme Sep 2014 #42
Thanks quaker bill Sep 2014 #49
Ok, you are plain wrong MFrohike Sep 2014 #46
Milton Friedman called, he said the 1970's want their pseudo economic theories back Taitertots Sep 2014 #31
IIRC, the Bush checks were denied to those with student loans. grasswire Sep 2014 #30
the article I read on giving the money directly to the bottom 80% said outright magical thyme Sep 2014 #35
I have a problem with "paying off student loans and purchasing a home"... Bigmack Sep 2014 #44
Since the money was stolen from us to begin with, I believe a substantial magical thyme Sep 2014 #56
Daddy, There really is a Money Tree in the Back Yard !! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #18
That service is only available to banksters. marmar Sep 2014 #19
The Right Wing wealthy need to stop this "we don't need you" attitude AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #21
It is an old problem BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #23
Will it get printed and mailed every day? If not, the govt should give ppl jobs. nt valerief Sep 2014 #26
What do think will happen when people spend the money? Taitertots Sep 2014 #32
For a day. nt valerief Sep 2014 #47
Why? Do they burn the money after it gets spent once? Taitertots Sep 2014 #52
It gets siphoned to the govt via taxes for WAR so the rich can get richer. valerief Sep 2014 #54
You think that would happen in one day Taitertots Sep 2014 #55
a presidential candidate needs to offer this to the electorate grasswire Sep 2014 #27
A one time check to people would do nothing to cure the problems facing the working class abelenkpe Sep 2014 #33
I would prefer a work program designed to rebuild America infrastructure. B Calm Sep 2014 #34
Two words: Bake Sale NightWatcher Sep 2014 #36
The old helicopter money drop Taitertots Sep 2014 #41
I posted about this above... Bigmack Sep 2014 #45
The 1980 measurement of inflation says its 8-10 percent. roamer65 Sep 2014 #48
I'd like enough to pay off 6 more years of student loans please. ileus Sep 2014 #50
Exactly that was the republican plan to solve the recession. DetlefK Sep 2014 #51
BINGO! B Calm Sep 2014 #57
Skim the scum off the top... hunter Sep 2014 #58
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