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In reply to the discussion: Obama got it wrong in his second sentence: [View all]OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)27. Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, by Noam Chomsky
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, by Noam Chomsky (talk delivered at the University of Wisconsin - Madison)
If you go back to the International Encyclopedia of Social Sciences published in 1933 -- days when people were a little more open and honest in what they said -- there's an article on propaganda, and it's well worth reading. There's an entry under propaganda. The entry is written by a leading- one- maybe the leading American political scientist, Harold Lasswell, who was very influential, particularly in this area, communications, and so on. And in this entry in the International Encyclopedia on propaganda he says, we should not succumb to democratic dogmatisms about men being the best judges of their own interests. They're not, he said. Even with the rise of mass education- doesn't mean that people can judge their own interests. They can't. The best judges of their interests are elites -- the specialized class, the cool observers, the people who have rationality -- and therefore they must be granted the means to impose their will. Notice, for the common good. Because, again, because- well, he says, because of the ignorance and superstition of the masses, he said it's necessary to have a whole new technique of control, largely through propaganda. Propaganda, he says, we shouldn't have a negative connotation about, it's neutral. Propaganda, he says, is as neutral as a pump handle. You can use it for good, you can use it for bad; since were good people, obviously, -- that's sort of true by definition -- we'll use it for good purposes, and there should be no negative connotations about that. In fact, it's moral to use it, because that's the only way that you can save the ignorant and stupid masses of the population from their own errors. You don't let a three year old run across the street, and you don't let ordinary people make their own decisions. You have to control them.
And why do you need propaganda? Well, he explains that. He says, in military-run or feudal societies -- what we would these days call totalitarian societies -- you don't really need propaganda that much. And the reason is you've got a- you've got a club in your hand. You can control the way people behave, and therefore it doesn't matter much what they think, because if they get out of line you can control them -- for their own good, of course. But once you lose the club, you know, once the State loses its capacity to coerce by force, then you have some problems. The voice of the people is heard -- you've got all these formal mechanisms around that permit people to express themselves, and even participate, and vote, and that sort of thing -- and you can't control them by force, because you've lost that capacity. But the voice of the people is heard, and therefore you've got to make sure it says the right thing. And in order to make sure it says the right thing, you've got to have effective and sophisticated propaganda, again, for their own good.
If you go back to the International Encyclopedia of Social Sciences published in 1933 -- days when people were a little more open and honest in what they said -- there's an article on propaganda, and it's well worth reading. There's an entry under propaganda. The entry is written by a leading- one- maybe the leading American political scientist, Harold Lasswell, who was very influential, particularly in this area, communications, and so on. And in this entry in the International Encyclopedia on propaganda he says, we should not succumb to democratic dogmatisms about men being the best judges of their own interests. They're not, he said. Even with the rise of mass education- doesn't mean that people can judge their own interests. They can't. The best judges of their interests are elites -- the specialized class, the cool observers, the people who have rationality -- and therefore they must be granted the means to impose their will. Notice, for the common good. Because, again, because- well, he says, because of the ignorance and superstition of the masses, he said it's necessary to have a whole new technique of control, largely through propaganda. Propaganda, he says, we shouldn't have a negative connotation about, it's neutral. Propaganda, he says, is as neutral as a pump handle. You can use it for good, you can use it for bad; since were good people, obviously, -- that's sort of true by definition -- we'll use it for good purposes, and there should be no negative connotations about that. In fact, it's moral to use it, because that's the only way that you can save the ignorant and stupid masses of the population from their own errors. You don't let a three year old run across the street, and you don't let ordinary people make their own decisions. You have to control them.
And why do you need propaganda? Well, he explains that. He says, in military-run or feudal societies -- what we would these days call totalitarian societies -- you don't really need propaganda that much. And the reason is you've got a- you've got a club in your hand. You can control the way people behave, and therefore it doesn't matter much what they think, because if they get out of line you can control them -- for their own good, of course. But once you lose the club, you know, once the State loses its capacity to coerce by force, then you have some problems. The voice of the people is heard -- you've got all these formal mechanisms around that permit people to express themselves, and even participate, and vote, and that sort of thing -- and you can't control them by force, because you've lost that capacity. But the voice of the people is heard, and therefore you've got to make sure it says the right thing. And in order to make sure it says the right thing, you've got to have effective and sophisticated propaganda, again, for their own good.
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The military takes pretty much the same oath, to protect the US Constitution.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#14
His highest priority is to protect the Constitution, not the American people. Once you
grahamhgreen
Sep 2014
#49
+1 The OP is founded on a misunderstanding and ought to be retracted, IMHO. (EOM)
Old Crow
Sep 2014
#29
However, more war in Iraq is not for protecting the American people. It is protecting
Zorra
Sep 2014
#54
Have no fear, Fox will make sure everyone knows just how bad a president Obama is.
Lancero
Sep 2014
#4
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, by Noam Chomsky
OnyxCollie
Sep 2014
#27
That's for sure, which is why they can think of only one solution to everything,
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#17
Remember when we used to remind Bush supporters of this? And they called us all kinds of names
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#18
Yes, I once swore that. But I don't see how this advances the policy debate. nt
pinboy3niner
Sep 2014
#19
Getting silly? We've been serving out the All-You-Can Eat Silly Buffet since January 2009. nt
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#38
But Roberts administered the oath like a bumbling idiot, so maybe Mr. President forgot that line.
lonestarnot
Sep 2014
#23
and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United Stat
blkmusclmachine
Sep 2014
#24
Where, in your quote from the Constitution, is the term "highest priority" used?
intaglio
Sep 2014
#31
In my view, you've got it backwards, it's the security of the Constitution, that guarantees the
grahamhgreen
Sep 2014
#52