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196. Will the Islamic countries actually oppose ISIS?

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:59 AM

Sep 2014

The support by the coalition of the neighboring Islamic countries seem to be rather halfhearted at best. Segments of their population are reported to enthusiastically give financial support to ISIS. It is very apparent that there is deep skepticism on this board as to the necessity of our involvement.

Are we heading for a clash of Eastern and western civilizations that has been predicted as being inevitable? I took out time to read the Koran and it can not be denied that world domination is a sacred goal. It can not be denied that the Islamists are absolutely uncompromising in their non-acceptance of religious freedom and democratic principles. The Islamic zealots believe that the only legitimate form of government is an Islamic theocracy and are believe they are on a God ordained mission to conquer and subjugate every man, woman and child to their vision. I can only wonder just how it will all end.

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It's frightening how easy it is to build support for war [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #1

oh, we'll get it right this time, because obama! KG Sep 2014 #2

Even on DU, it is much harder to oppose a war than to support it. redgreenandblue Sep 2014 #3

B-I-N-G-O! mazzarro Sep 2014 #78

Politicians in our country are rewarded in Nov.. busterbrown Sep 2014 #144

Did you miss the fact that Maliki has been replaced geek tragedy Sep 2014 #4

No. I did not miss that. Did I miss that a new stable government has been formed. No cali Sep 2014 #7

Reality is that symptoms must be treated geek tragedy Sep 2014 #10

Perhaps. Perhaps it is isolationism, but I'm not against engaging in other ways cali Sep 2014 #14

There is middle ground between ground troops geek tragedy Sep 2014 #24

And what about funding and training those so-called "moderate" groups in Syria? cali Sep 2014 #35

I will wait for evidence of US arming of the FSA geek tragedy Sep 2014 #42

Here, have some evidence. cali Sep 2014 #46

Giant grain of salt: story has a single source: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #47

lol. yeah. that source being the chief of staff. cali Sep 2014 #49

the embittered, marginalized chief of staff. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #54

It doesn’t seem that “ISIS” took over any towns inside Kurdistan proper. The Kurds, on the other Chathamization Sep 2014 #73

When the Kurds conduct campaigns geek tragedy Sep 2014 #115

If we sanction expansionist Kurdish ambitions we shouldn’t be terribly surprised if Sunni Arabs Chathamization Sep 2014 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #76

If more isolationism means less war, I'm all for it. lark Sep 2014 #90

"Without the support of the neighbors" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #116

Where are their troops? lark Sep 2014 #201

First I think it's audacious for anyone to claim they know "reality". rhett o rick Sep 2014 #113

Do you know anything about the new premier? lark Sep 2014 #86

His deputy PMs are a Kurd and a Sunni nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #114

Most of his cabinet are just reshuffled people from Maliki's. cali Sep 2014 #120

So were Maliki’s when he started Chathamization Sep 2014 #124

Everyone knows the long-term solution must be geek tragedy Sep 2014 #127

That sounds positive. lark Sep 2014 #200

honestly, we don't know because that story is still being written geek tragedy Sep 2014 #202

Yes they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic. Now Maliki is a vice president. totodeinhere Sep 2014 #145

No. Before Maliki was Chalabi. We got him out. It still sucked. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #164

Keep people poor to supply a ready source of cannon fodder. Downwinder Sep 2014 #5

There wont be any cannon fodder. No ground troops. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #28

Cool! Just as long as no Americans are killed, everything will be fine! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #37

That is your strawman. I said no such thing. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #40

Yep; if half of the civilians killed from the bombs were random Americans, you can bet the support Chathamization Sep 2014 #80

Especially when we have leaders who say "We don't do body counts." RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #89

Planes and drones are pretty good at killing folks too. lark Sep 2014 #92

so will Syrians. this is not going to be pretty. cali Sep 2014 #94

It will be so sad and ugly. lark Sep 2014 #98

Yes, but as long as we stay focused on the truly important stuff, everything will be fine. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #100

So sad that the MIC is in charge of this country. lark Sep 2014 #199

The Iraqis that you seem to be concerned about want our help. It's not a circular firing zone. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #112

The Shiites & Kurds want us there, lark Sep 2014 #198

So says Obama so far. Three things: morningfog Sep 2014 #129

The crusades lasted for 200 years and accomplished little. Downwinder Sep 2014 #161

It's also too easy to call it something besides war. phantom power Sep 2014 #6

Offense is ...defense. L0oniX Sep 2014 #17

I'll also make a prediction. They'll have to raid Soc Sec Retirement and Disability to pay for factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #8

!! leftstreet Sep 2014 #21

#1 priority...sacrifice...unprecedented challenge... n/t factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #36

Yep, in the name of national security. Forget COLA ... RKP5637 Sep 2014 #58

They do that they'll have a bigger fight than ISIS on their ballyhoo Sep 2014 #88

They can't throw the frog into boiling water, but they can find other ways. n/t factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #104

Yeah, it'll be "every one's gonna have to sacrifice so we can ballyhoo Sep 2014 #133

Apparently, there's too many people lacking even "2 brain cells" in this country 2banon Sep 2014 #111

It is insanity. Ten thousand freaks cultivated by the neoncons, given weapons ballyhoo Sep 2014 #131

It's almost as if it were being executed for that purpose.. 2banon Sep 2014 #134

I think that is actually the case. I have thought so since we armed ISIS ballyhoo Sep 2014 #135

I have noticed, and wondered. The Shock Doctrine is in full on gear. 2banon Sep 2014 #149

Exactly. And this military stuff being used by the police forces ballyhoo Sep 2014 #152

He didn't mention that tonight... ReRe Sep 2014 #168

#1 priority is securty... factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #173

Yeah but... ReRe Sep 2014 #174

The neocons and their media allies have left this administration no choice. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #9

Look, I have a great deal of sympathy for the President in this mess. cali Sep 2014 #15

ISIS has plenty of funding for the near future after looting all the banks in several cities. stevenleser Sep 2014 #29

Where are they keeping all this money? BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #96

I think they are keeping it on them. But that is only a guess. stevenleser Sep 2014 #106

Joe Biden : "We will follow you (ISIS) to the gates of hell!!!" bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #22

After days of relentless media criticism saying "The WH has no strategy" conservaphobe Sep 2014 #26

Good to know the leaders of the free world are slaves to media ratings Scootaloo Sep 2014 #105

Of course blame him. Why do we expect dems to morningfog Sep 2014 #130

REC MORNINGFOG's POST! merrily Sep 2014 #181

Don't blame the most powerful man in the world? Blame his critics? merrily Sep 2014 #178

And Dick Cheney will use his pass key. merrily Sep 2014 #177

no choice? so the media can just make up shit, and the president has to go along now J_J_ Sep 2014 #139

Awesome leadership! GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #189

Yes it is. It is even more frightening how the so-called "terrorists" can manipulate US citizens kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #11

Agreed, the American media and the Republicans are very frightening. nt tridim Sep 2014 #13

+1000 nt freebrew Sep 2014 #20

And what have Democrats done? Gone along like they did in prelude to the Iraqi war! - n/t mazzarro Sep 2014 #101

Not being terrorists like the American media and the Republicans. nt tridim Sep 2014 #109

IOW, no meaningful, fact-based response to mazzaro's question. merrily Sep 2014 #182

Are you here to trash the Democrats too? nt tridim Sep 2014 #192

Still no response. merrily Sep 2014 #204

We always take the bait phil89 Sep 2014 #65

Fool me once. By George, you CAN fool me again. merrily Sep 2014 #183

It will probably drive up the price of oil too. arcane1 Sep 2014 #81

Propaganda has been perfected over the last century Corruption Inc Sep 2014 #12

I think most people can be persuaded of just about anything. cali Sep 2014 #16

I agree deutsey Sep 2014 #18

K & R for Adam Curtis, who made "The Century of the Self" RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #41

Both of them are must-sees arcane1 Sep 2014 #82

Unfortunately it's my opinion that much more than 1/3 are non-thinking Americans. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #107

The "moderate rebels" SOLD Steven Sotloff to ISIS, and have also bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #19

This war was doomed from the start! The start being 1990 mrdmk Sep 2014 #25

Oh, long before that Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #74

True, this goes back to the policies of imperialism and colonialism mrdmk Sep 2014 #91

I think the obvious answer to that is no. cali Sep 2014 #93

Eh, we didn’t really put the Shah in power. He was already in power and we got involved with him Chathamization Sep 2014 #136

In declassified document, CIA acknowledges role in '53 Iran coup Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #143

Like I said, "He was already in power and we got involved with him in a plan where he’d dismiss and Chathamization Sep 2014 #147

We help them with one hand CJCRANE Sep 2014 #33

so true. cali Sep 2014 #38

All too true, and pick our own pockets to do so. suffragette Sep 2014 #172

Yep... WillyT Sep 2014 #51

And those who knew this would happen were called clueless. chrisa Sep 2014 #75

It's not incompetence, it's the Plan All Along. arcane1 Sep 2014 #85

+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #206

And racists Doctor_J Sep 2014 #158

Now we have an all volunteer army... freebrew Sep 2014 #23

A Marine speaks OldRedneck Sep 2014 #27

We could just censor the news, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #30

American manufacturers armed ISIS Oilwellian Sep 2014 #31

^ This. We created Osama bin Laden as well - TBF Sep 2014 #39

and now ISIS will be the reason we stay in Iraq and topple Assad KurtNYC Sep 2014 #45

That was an amazing and rare moment of truth Oilwellian Sep 2014 #84

Like cali, "I'm not opposed to engaging in other ways". Further ... Scuba Sep 2014 #32

Perhaps Jimmy Carter could have been considered a peacetime president? factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #59

Frightening because most Americans... Bigmack Sep 2014 #34

Yep, just like the famous Goering quote says. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #43

Yeah, you just need an uneducated and unemployed populace and complete control of the media. valerief Sep 2014 #44

Well since we are co-ordinating with several countries including Iran I don't think your assessment still_one Sep 2014 #48

how does coordinating with other countries ensure success. cali Sep 2014 #52

we supply air support, they supply the manpower. ISIS is a real threat to Iran and Iraq where the still_one Sep 2014 #60

who supplies the man power? cali Sep 2014 #66

why don't you just wait and hear what he talks about still_one Sep 2014 #67

Uh, you're the one that just laid out "the plan"- without following your own advice. how amusing. cali Sep 2014 #68

I was speculating on your speculating, and realized that it is all meaningless until we hear what he still_one Sep 2014 #72

no, it's not meaningless. Enough has been leaked that we know, roughly, what he plans to do. cali Sep 2014 #77

Remember the Bushies who insisted Bush "knows something we don't", and so criticizing Marr Sep 2014 #110

I agree, with only one small caveat -- it has taken over a year to sell this one KurtNYC Sep 2014 #50

I fear you are right. And that really is frightening. cali Sep 2014 #61

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #53

I Loves Me Some War! TheSarcastinator Sep 2014 #55

We will not be able to train an effective army in Iraq DJ13 Sep 2014 #56

Can't make Sunnis loyal to a Shiite government they hate. And stocking the Iraqi TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #119

Another prediction: none of drum war beaters will have their children on the front lines kairos12 Sep 2014 #57

and there will not be U.S. troops on the ground either. Another prediction from DU how Obama is still_one Sep 2014 #63

I don't believe that Obama will send troops back to Iraq- beyond advisors cali Sep 2014 #64

Quagmire. JEB Sep 2014 #79

Then I guess we agree still_one Sep 2014 #150

There are already a 1000 there. But believe what you will. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #138

The Saudis are well armed thanks to us. Let them handle this one. JEB Sep 2014 #62

It is the Saudis that bankrolled IS until they became self sufficient Dragonfli Sep 2014 #132

You're either with us or against us. chrisa Sep 2014 #69

No more wars. Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #70

And ten years from now (and another trillion dollars) Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #71

Small petty males and their stupid juvenile war. They are neither men nor human. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #83

They are sadly all too human. arcane1 Sep 2014 #97

K & R SoapBox Sep 2014 #87

Why, of course, the people don't want war... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #95

What Göring said was exactly what happened to my father-in-law DFW Sep 2014 #125

I think I'll tack this on here for the folks that are all "but there will be no ground troops": cali Sep 2014 #99

anybody can pull a trigger. the_sly_pig Sep 2014 #102

Yes. Violence represents a profound failure of intelligence and creativity RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #117

This^ eom littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #186

All you working stiffs get ready JEB Sep 2014 #103

And I bet that Obama will not demand sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #108

It makes no sense to me why ISIS would risk provoking us into war by those ladjf Sep 2014 #118

They wanted to draw us into another quagmire. They can use the involvement of the big totodeinhere Sep 2014 #153

That makes some sense. But, before we leave, a lot of those criminal bastards are going to be dead. ladjf Sep 2014 #154

Fanatics like that consider dying for their cause an honor. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2014 #155

While they can always con some idiot into "dying for the cause", I believe that their rank and ladjf Sep 2014 #208

It frightens me how easy it is to create/form public opinion about anything n/t Nevada Blue Sep 2014 #121

Well BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #123

Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, start bombing, send troops, and talk about peace. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #126

We have long been trained to be afraid. morningfog Sep 2014 #128

Manufactured Consent? How do we know there is support? Media Polls? J_J_ Sep 2014 #137

"..it's hardly the only place in the world where brutal groups are operating and wreaking havoc.." blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #140

It's easy when all you need do is build that support in the corporate media. NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #141

The timeless explanation for war hifiguy Sep 2014 #142

I was actually in Iraq training the Iraqi Police. Quackers Sep 2014 #146

What's your assesment? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #165

Kicked and recommended! More war will not fix Iraq. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #148

We are the problem, not the solution. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #166

And Another... WillyT Sep 2014 #151

That's what happens when you don't have the photos of coffins to remind you of the Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #156

it's simple math, take the number of innocent kids and adults killed, multiply that by 10 and whereisjustice Sep 2014 #157

The decision was made sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #159

Isn't wondering whether "they actually exist" pouring it on a little thick? cheapdate Sep 2014 #160

I was quite clear: organized moderate opposition in Syria cali Sep 2014 #163

My mistake. cheapdate Sep 2014 #194

Vous parlez français? OKDem08 Sep 2014 #162

Parle "price for not delivering Mistral class ships to the Russians." n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #170

The surge in support is a visceral reaction to the beheadings. It freaks people out. nt Stardust Sep 2014 #167

We've been fed this shit so many times JEB Sep 2014 #169

So a full on drone war is expensive? No aftercare, just the ammo. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #171

first of all, it's not just drones. secondly, we are arming and training cali Sep 2014 #179

Then there is the training and weapons supplied that will no doubt be used against us at some future lonestarnot Sep 2014 #197

No, fuck "yes, but." joshcryer Sep 2014 #175

oh for the love of reason. I have already provided PROOF that the U.S. is arming groups in Syria cali Sep 2014 #180

I am openly for eradicating evil. joshcryer Sep 2014 #188

so then you openly support military action against boko haram? how about North Korea? cali Sep 2014 #193

The Sultan of Brunei is evil, too, but we negotiated TPP with him. merrily Sep 2014 #184

Yes, "easy," when both of the nation's largest political parties and the nation's mass media merrily Sep 2014 #176

I stopped watching, last night, when I heard "We will be joined by a broad coalition.....", because djean111 Sep 2014 #185

Thanks for your post, cali. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #187

+1 GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #190

Yes it is. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #191

Just now Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #195

Will the Islamic countries actually oppose ISIS? olegramps Sep 2014 #196

The amount of blind jingoism Feral Child Sep 2014 #203

kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #205

Endless war renders the consumer obsolete. JEB Sep 2014 #207