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jwirr

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55. We - going all the way back the bush sr. - created this mess because we did not understand the

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:11 PM

Sep 2014

culture and when we did we did not care because we wanted the oil. I think the only way to fix what we broke is to let the countries of the ME try to settle it. And I admit that this may not happen easily because they have many distinct clashes in what they believe. It will be a battle for supremacy that will not be pretty. A lesson for those who think we have the right to rearrange the world to fit our needs. There are consequences.

That method leaves us with some real problems. ISIS is not going to leave us or our people in the ME alone. They get way too much publicity and in some cases money for hitting out at the USA. It is also their recruiting tool. It makes them look stronger and more important than they are.

This is one of those times when I for one feel like throwing my arms up in defeat.

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How would YOU handle the ISIS terrorist organization if you were in the Oval Office? [View all] derby378 Sep 2014 OP

Stay the Hell out of it. 99Forever Sep 2014 #1

Very simplistic viewpoint. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #4

Occum's razor. 99Forever Sep 2014 #10

I'm afraid you got Occam's razor wrong, there... derby378 Sep 2014 #13

Whatever. 99Forever Sep 2014 #36

It's not playing games. It's called critical thinking. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #48

And you're the only one capable of "critical thinking." 99Forever Sep 2014 #51

No, I am saying words. and the correct use of them, matter. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #58

Elitist claptrap. 99Forever Sep 2014 #61

People will be killed in any case. HERVEPA Sep 2014 #62

I have zero idea what you mean by critically thinking but.. 99Forever Sep 2014 #92

hope your S.O. does the bills backwoodsbob Sep 2014 #99

Nice. 99Forever Sep 2014 #100

Yes, but what about "occum's" razor? LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #71

That's not what Occam's Razor is at all. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #50

I love Occam's razor but it is used for explanations and not problem solving./NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #56

Occum's razor can lead to a nasty cut to the throat. The beheadings were the "simple thing" Lint Head Sep 2014 #63

Saudia Arabia beheaded 19 people in the last month. In public. 99Forever Sep 2014 #86

Were the 19 Americans? Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #102

Elitist claptrap!! JoePhilly Sep 2014 #103

Correction jeff47 Sep 2014 #22

I see US treasure being expended daily in Iraq by the dropping of bombs, use of fuel for those neverforget Sep 2014 #112

Could you at least bother reading the post I was replying to first? jeff47 Sep 2014 #113

I did bother reading it thus my response. neverforget Sep 2014 #114

Your response was about us bombing. What he explicitly rejected. jeff47 Sep 2014 #115

Sorry you feel that way. I'm trying to have a debate but you think I'm stalking you. neverforget Sep 2014 #116

Again, debate would require you to actually read the thread. jeff47 Sep 2014 #117

You don't like having your views challenged. I get that. But at least be civil when debating someone neverforget Sep 2014 #118

Talking to a mirror? jeff47 Sep 2014 #119

You're right. I misread the post. neverforget Sep 2014 #120

Shut your eyes tight and make it go away! randome Sep 2014 #2

Get out of the ME Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #3

We can't. The Eastern world and the Western world are more connected than before. randome Sep 2014 #8

Why do we care so much about what goes on in the Middle East, but Africa not so much? Hugabear Sep 2014 #67

What Crusade? We're not trying to convert anyone. randome Sep 2014 #77

When do we go into North Korea? Hugabear Sep 2014 #82

Hugabear raises an inconvenient yet very important point derby378 Sep 2014 #98

That is an excellent question. n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #108

And prohibit immigration of Middle Eastern peoples FrodosPet Sep 2014 #18

What is an acceptable cost? atreides1 Sep 2014 #57

No one ever knows the answers to those questions. randome Sep 2014 #78

Don't be naive. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #106

Many of the most progressive Senators are saying the same thing FrodosPet Sep 2014 #110

IOWs ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #79

it won't go away, even with our intervention Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #81

I don't know, but TheCowsCameHome Sep 2014 #5

Maybe he's playing three dimensional chess and will do something completely different... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #9

Transparency treestar Sep 2014 #94

Make them some chocolate chip cookies Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #6

Wasn't that duck dynasty guy going to take care of this? treestar Sep 2014 #95

I wish he would Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #105

Easy, let the Middle East deal with their problem. dilby Sep 2014 #7

I have no idea what I would do, but I share your same concern, that another will RKP5637 Sep 2014 #21

I know what you should do, read #69 below....nt fadedrose Sep 2014 #70

Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #83

That's the same as "let them get on with murdering vast numbers of innocent people" Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #29

Because we all know they are taking the jobs Americans should be doing. dilby Sep 2014 #33

Two massive differences. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #37

Both are killing because they feel the need to bring their idea of government to Iraq. dilby Sep 2014 #44

The problem is that it has already cost American blood derby378 Sep 2014 #75

The Cartels in Mexico are just as ruthless as ISIS. dilby Sep 2014 #76

"Better the devil you know..." derby378 Sep 2014 #31

The long game MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #11

+1 CJCRANE Sep 2014 #12

+1, n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #25

Good sumary. jwirr Sep 2014 #64

+1 Maven Sep 2014 #84

I would shut down the world's biggest embassy in Baghdad. former9thward Sep 2014 #14

And the people ethnically cleansed while that happens? jeff47 Sep 2014 #28

Do you favor entering the many countries of Africa former9thward Sep 2014 #32

I want them to take over zero countries. jeff47 Sep 2014 #38

In the long run and probably in the short run it will cost more lives. former9thward Sep 2014 #93

If you're such a student of history jeff47 Sep 2014 #109

We trained the Iraqi army. former9thward Sep 2014 #124

"Both Syria and Iraq are false countries created after WWI" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #53

Anyone have a map of the preWWI ME? jwirr Sep 2014 #65

Several Scootaloo Sep 2014 #85

Thank you. If I am not wrong about what I just looked at and read the ME has been the target of a jwirr Sep 2014 #87

Contrary to modern belief, the chaos in the middle east is a recent thing Scootaloo Sep 2014 #88

Don't make the same mistake as Bush/Cheney. earthside Sep 2014 #15

And that means doing what, specifically? jeff47 Sep 2014 #40

Well my objection to the bush invasion was that we used the military for a criminal enterprise. I jwirr Sep 2014 #66

First I would call Senator McCain and ask him what he would do tularetom Sep 2014 #16

And the Iraqis? jeff47 Sep 2014 #41

It's not worth putting American troops in Iraq tularetom Sep 2014 #52

Get OUT of the ME, Invest in Solar, Wind & renewables at home 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #17

With this Congress. Good luck with that. n/t CakeGrrl Sep 2014 #20

Yep, many in this congress are stupid, useless, conniving and out for greed. I can clearly RKP5637 Sep 2014 #30

The OP question was about what POTUS should do, not Congress 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #35

As close as I will get Oval Office is the view from the gate. gordianot Sep 2014 #19

Pretty much how Obama is doing it. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #23

Same as the President. moondust Sep 2014 #24

would tell all the Islamist states to get the f into the 21st century librechik Sep 2014 #26

Well, that's a good plan! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #49

if you think it's preposterous, then you know nothing about commercial hemp. librechik Sep 2014 #89

I know that it could not possibly meet the US' energy consumption Scootaloo Sep 2014 #97

IS isn't too big of a threat at the moment. Laelth Sep 2014 #27

Pretty much what Obama is doing. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #34

Lean on our allies to stop funding them. LeftyMom Sep 2014 #39

Probably... Xolodno Sep 2014 #42

I would jump into my time machine go back to the 2000 election,,,,,,, benld74 Sep 2014 #43

Considering our glorious accomplishments in the latest wars..I'd look at other ways Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #45

I'd announce that war funding will come from Israel military grants Bragi Sep 2014 #46

Couple things Scootaloo Sep 2014 #47

I'm not in the Oval Office, nor is anyone on DU. MineralMan Sep 2014 #54

I'm not competent either, so I posted #69 fadedrose Sep 2014 #73

Good idea! MineralMan Sep 2014 #74

We - going all the way back the bush sr. - created this mess because we did not understand the jwirr Sep 2014 #55

Complain bitterly (and anonymously) on an internet message board. LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #59

I would withdraw all troops from the ME. Marrah_G Sep 2014 #60

I would just say we recognize Israel as a terrorist nation Reter Sep 2014 #68

Would get help from Congress through YOU fadedrose Sep 2014 #69

Some ideas... SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #72

Call up the Saudi king, tell him he has a problem he needs to take care of Dems to Win Sep 2014 #80

Not a bad idea sub.theory Sep 2014 #90

There have been numerous reports over the years stating that the Saudi Army amandabeech Sep 2014 #111

Thank you Dems to Win Sep 2014 #125

We have the wrong "friends" there. Until that is up for consideratoin, nothing else matters BlueStreak Sep 2014 #91

I would do the following RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #96

if it hasn't already been suggested... handmade34 Sep 2014 #101

Covert operations ann--- Sep 2014 #104

Same as Jemaah Islamiya. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #107

I would first jamzrockz Sep 2014 #121

Use the twenty intelligence agencies at my disposal jmowreader Sep 2014 #122

I've been thinking a bit about this question . . . markpkessinger Sep 2014 #123

Haven't a clue, but am happy about Congress fadedrose Sep 2014 #126