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In reply to the discussion: Worst Book Review Ever Criticizes Slave History For Not Presenting 'Both Sides' [View all]AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)129. My Response.
I think you saw "Celtic" and overlooked the Norman part
I actually didn't overlook anything. And Colony names don't really prove much, TBH.
Although, yes, it may be true that Norman strains also existed in Southern culture, as well as Celtic. But again, the Anglo-Saxon culture had always been the dominant basic culture in the South, just as up North; the real major difference was in it's expressions(you were certainly correct on this, however: Southern colonists sought to expand the empire, Northerners sought refuge from it).
You are correct in that a lot of people overstate the importance of the Scots and Irish. Heck, my family was one of those Irish families, and he was brought over as an indentured servant. He wasn't exactly a power broker!
Interesting. In any case, it can be pointed out that there were a few Scots-Irish who actually did become worthy in the eyes of the old elite: namely, John C. Calhoun, and a few others. There were also a few descended from Huguenots as well, such as William Porcher Miles. Basically, it seems, as long as one seemed Anglo enough and was willing to assimilate into the elite culture, then it was possible to be accepted: even the Taliaferros got a seat, and they were Italian!
I read a quote from a southern newspaper written during the Civil War along the lines of, "we conquered the Anglo-Saxons before, we can do it again."
Looking at this quote, it honestly seems to be more of an allegory more than anything else; after all, William the Conqueror did beat Godwinson at Hastings.
This is directly from contemporary sources.
Okay, but it seems that this was more of a case of some Southerners wanting to expand slavery as much as possible, and not some swipe at Anglos(well, not Southern Anglos, anyway).
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Worst Book Review Ever Criticizes Slave History For Not Presenting 'Both Sides' [View all]
applegrove
Sep 2014
OP
Like the DORK critic that questioned the validity of ' Twelve Years a Slave '
orpupilofnature57
Sep 2014
#1
We have time warped. Racism, sexism... the hate that gets spewed these days is disheartening. n/t
cui bono
Sep 2014
#12
Yes, you had not only an initial investment, but ongoing (if minimal) maintenance costs
Jackpine Radical
Sep 2014
#126
The funny thing is there were plenty of slaves we would consider white.
Exultant Democracy
Sep 2014
#6
I don't like to hear the thinking of slave owners. Read slave narratives in University
applegrove
Sep 2014
#7
Thomas Jefferson's 4 children by Sally Hemings were legally white, but slaves
carolinayellowdog
Sep 2014
#19
I wasn't aware of the law making octoroons legally white, thanks for the info
Exultant Democracy
Sep 2014
#72
Perfect response sadly which was wasted on a (won't say it) because people like that are
AuntPatsy
Sep 2014
#8
There are no limits nor depths to the harmful delusions of CSA apologists. And DU isn't immune.
Paladin
Sep 2014
#17
Confederate apologists were given free rein to write revisionist history
Cirque du So-What
Sep 2014
#18
Well yes, because we have a black President, therefore the legacy of slavery is long gone
YoungDemCA
Sep 2014
#71
That is precisely what you're saying. Kindly massas and grateful, happy slaves=Hail Dixieland.
Paladin
Sep 2014
#34
The contents of this thread ought to provide you with the evidence you need. (nt)
Paladin
Sep 2014
#75
I have to think that, given the opportunity, black slaves would have changed places
Maedhros
Sep 2014
#107
What I see is someone who wants to discuss how bad whites had it alongside a discussion on slavery.
KitSileya
Sep 2014
#45
Poor white resenting slaves, and slave feeling better than poor whites (or any whites)
KitSileya
Sep 2014
#52
No more and no less than a free discussion regarding the standard has to include the...
LanternWaste
Sep 2014
#98
It's an interesting post, but I'm afraid I'll have to correct you on one thing:
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#120
The Scots-Irish were a secondary power-group. But the aristocracy was largely Norman, not Anglo.
ieoeja
Sep 2014
#124
Regardless of the color of slave masters, slavery is wrong. The percentage of black owned slaves....
marble falls
Sep 2014
#122
If you read my post before yours, you will note that a lot of those Black slave "masters" were not.
ieoeja
Sep 2014
#125
Absolutely. Remember all the freed slaves begging to be taken back into slavery?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2014
#43
Is it your opinion that the movies exaggerated the evils of slavery?Are you suggesting that slavery
Douglas Carpenter
Sep 2014
#77
You ain't lying. DU lost its mind a while ago and the main way you could tell was the stream of
Number23
Sep 2014
#89
I am surprised any of you remain...it is so hostile here to minorities and Women
randys1
Sep 2014
#93
History is often a complicated subject.....But, truthfully, this reviewer missed the point.
AverageJoe90
Sep 2014
#118
"History is often a complicated subject" So true. I mean heck slavery has
cstanleytech
Sep 2014
#121
Nothing generates more conservative anger than information that contradicts their fairy tales.
Todays_Illusion
Sep 2014
#123
"this is not history; it is advocacy" one could argue that all history is advocacy
unblock
Sep 2014
#127