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Ruby the Liberal

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128. Courses run the gamut

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:09 PM

Sep 2014

From municipal/member to exclusive/private to public. There is no question there is inherent racism in golf. Just look at Augusta National - who only started accepting black members a few years ago. The crying orange congresscritter belongs to a course that doesn't allow women members (and why that never got more press just irritates the shit out of me).

I am merely trying to explain that not everything deserves a label by default because of the characteristics of the person affected by it.

Years ago I used to use the explanation of this phenomenon (and how it weakens an important message) by saying "lost a quarter in a pay phone", but when was the last time you saw a pay phone? I likened it to the argument of losing the quarter means the phone company was sexist, racist, or (insert religion)-phobic. When you cry wolf, people stop listening and the message is weakened even further.

Some times there are reasons why things happen that have nothing to do with someones gender, race, religion, orientation, etc...

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Good Effin' Grief!! President Obama Rejected From Top NY Golf Courses Over Labor Day Weekend [View all] malaise Sep 2014 OP

sounds more like a money thing to me strawberries Sep 2014 #1

Eh. With security and celebrity status, a course would have to virtually shut down. randome Sep 2014 #2

I know a lot of folks at Beverly and they were there when the President was there AngryAmish Sep 2014 #53

Okay, good information. But Labor Day weekend may have been more crowded than usual. randome Sep 2014 #60

Isn't Labor Day one of the busiest days for golf courses? Calista241 Sep 2014 #101

Yes - and tee times are typically booked months in advance Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #124

apparently clinton was also rejected when he was president. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #3

I sort of recall that... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #41

Those damn racists. bigwillq Sep 2014 #59

i think they would have closed the course for bush samsingh Sep 2014 #4

More likely an anti-Dem Republican thing. nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #11

This tazkcmo Sep 2014 #31

Dumb of them, though. Bad optics, considering the history of tblue37 Sep 2014 #69

They need an audit. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #5

What utter nonsense yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #8

It is unconscionable that any President be treated in this manner. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #10

Ok I would accommodate any President yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #13

As I said, there's never a justifiable excuse to turn away the leader of our nation. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #17

Oh boy! Wrong!!!!!! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #21

he's not a king, just a public employee who brings a huge entourage msongs Sep 2014 #25

Yeah, 'cuz golf courses are non-profit outfits. WillowTree Sep 2014 #81

There's no way any course makes $80,000 in four hours for one thing. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #40

Thanks! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #42

That's a great story about FR. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #62

Yeah same here. Rex Sep 2014 #64

Your ignored. Causing trouble is not interesting. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #75

I certainly won't be ignoring you. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #76

the members of these clubs pay about 100 grand in fees just to join cali Sep 2014 #44

Nice post, Hugh Moran. Orrex Sep 2014 #61

Ah, no we don't. I've seen it but rarely. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #63

They still have members who pay a lot to join. Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #49

That's hugh! RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #46

Why? He's President, not King. Codeine Sep 2014 #14

No other nation on the planet would allow disrespect of their leader in such a manner. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #22

That's beyond silly. Codeine Sep 2014 #32

you've departed from any semblance of.... sense. cali Sep 2014 #36

Dafuq? Egnever Sep 2014 #65

You sound irrational at this point. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #74

get a grip, he isn't a king....it's GOLF Marrah_G Sep 2014 #85

Authoritarians crack me up. Marr Sep 2014 #98

I will say heaven05 Sep 2014 #143

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tazkcmo Sep 2014 #33

Why is that? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #52

If you don't genuflect... Dr. Strange Sep 2014 #67

fucking ridiculous why the fuck should a club boot off people cali Sep 2014 #18

The commander-in-chief of the largest military on the planet was turned away. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #24

With no 'repercussions'?? B2G Sep 2014 #26

oh baloney. seriously? you think that because the President didn't get to boot a lot of cali Sep 2014 #27

You are making DU look weak tkmorris Sep 2014 #43

What repercussions do you suggest would be appropriate? Throd Sep 2014 #51

Obviously Obama should have sent in tanks, send the Navy Seals in to make sure the mythology Sep 2014 #115

It wouldn't make us look weak, it would make us look like North Korea. Quackers Sep 2014 #56

Dictators make peons suffer if they don't bow low enough. Democratically elected tblue37 Sep 2014 #71

Now you're just trolling. Stop making yourself look foolish. nt Codeine Sep 2014 #83

So, what would you suggest? Fla_Democrat Sep 2014 #100

They would have had to stop doing normal business on a holiday weekend Yo_Mama Sep 2014 #95

Many threads on this yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #6

No, racism is the only possible explanation Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #9

If it makes you feel better believing that. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #19

one could take that sig line two ways, I suppose Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #35

What sig line? yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #38

it would appear that Capt. Obvious in not quite so obvious as he appears ... Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #45

"Whites only" clubs? LordGlenconner Sep 2014 #7

I know Westchester. I grew up in neighboring Fairfield County. cali Sep 2014 #12

His team tried on Friday to get a tee time for Sat a.m. ?... Whiskeytide Sep 2014 #15

Amazing how many people who don't belong to a Golf Club no for certain what happened... brooklynite Sep 2014 #16

I have know idea RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #47

Racism? Hardly. B2G Sep 2014 #20

I find it interesting that you scream that this is racist cali Sep 2014 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #28

Obama must have realized he was making a difficult request, else why call 3+ courses? . . . Journeyman Sep 2014 #29

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #30

This thread is going the way of creative speculation Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #34

Who leaked the story? BKH70041 Sep 2014 #37

IDK. But the media always promotes their 'Everyone hates Obama' meme. freshwest Sep 2014 #88

That seems to be the opinion of many here. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #102

'Irrelevant.' And you have no source for your claim about the WH or any other reasons. EOM. freshwest Sep 2014 #103

It's a matter of elimination. BKH70041 Sep 2014 #109

Oh baby, Wellstone ruled Sep 2014 #39

racist? jesus, i can't believe you went there ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #48

6 years of racism heaven05 Sep 2014 #86

if every incident ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #89

right heaven05 Sep 2014 #93

obvious in its intent, aye? ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #94

Actually I don't think this has to do with race Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #50

shhh... you'll be called a racist... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Sep 2014 #96

I would tell the President: thanks, but no thanks. And it's not because I am racist. bigwillq Sep 2014 #54

A lot of paces don't have tee times AngryAmish Sep 2014 #55

They still have members who were looking forward to playing golf Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #78

Those courses are booked weeks, if not months, in advance for Labor Day weekend. WillowTree Sep 2014 #84

They could probably squeeze him in though treestar Sep 2014 #104

Obama probably took the incident with a grain of salt. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #57

I wonder why they didn't just do a "rolling blackout" on the course? MADem Sep 2014 #58

Who are "they" in your last sentence? Hard to tell whom you are accusing of tblue37 Sep 2014 #72

And then publicized same. mahina Sep 2014 #66

This is hard to believe. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #68

In the middle of the week probably not. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #70

Nikita Kruschev wanted to visit Disneyland in 1959. He was told no . . . Journeyman Sep 2014 #92

Sorry, but the members have rights. badtoworse Sep 2014 #73

Would Dubya Bush have been allowed to play at any of those golf courses during Labor Day Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #77

YES. AND YES. Rex Sep 2014 #79

OF course treestar Sep 2014 #105

He can play at any of the DoD operated courses Crabby Appleton Sep 2014 #80

One of the biggest golf weekends of the year Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #82

The minimizing of this incident heaven05 Sep 2014 #87

Where do you get racism in this? Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #91

I thought your post was ok kcr Sep 2014 #108

I am not defending the 1% Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #117

Of course it might seem ridiculous to those who know how things work in their world kcr Sep 2014 #119

Good point Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #122

I'm not focusing on the 1%. I'm not adding a darn thing. kcr Sep 2014 #125

Courses run the gamut Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #128

Institutions with inherent racism don't deserve kneejerk defense either kcr Sep 2014 #130

The "institution" here where I live Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #132

I'm doing no such thing kcr Sep 2014 #134

what sport, basketball, football heaven05 Sep 2014 #142

Oh, come on. What BS. Yo_Mama Sep 2014 #99

yep, yep heaven05 Sep 2014 #110

Something tells me that if a person of color Ruby the Liberal Sep 2014 #118

well, false equivalency is a typical ploy heaven05 Sep 2014 #133

Do you really believe this nonsense? tritsofme Sep 2014 #121

See post #127 heaven05 Sep 2014 #131

I'm with you on this, malaise. Octafish Sep 2014 #90

Amazing Savannahmann Sep 2014 #106

much BS heaven05 Sep 2014 #112

Your forgot something. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #114

obama is president, not King. Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #107

same goes toyou heaven05 Sep 2014 #113

Such silliness. You are either engaging in parody tritsofme Sep 2014 #123

very silly heaven05 Sep 2014 #127

What racial factors were in play when President Clinton was similarly denied in the 90s? tritsofme Sep 2014 #136

and a pig with lipstick is still a pig heaven05 Sep 2014 #137

So you don't care to address the analogous situation with President Clinton? tritsofme Sep 2014 #138

nothing silly heaven05 Sep 2014 #139

A simple "no, I don't want to talk about Clinton because it makes my ridiculous tritsofme Sep 2014 #140

+1000 heaven05 Sep 2014 #111

I truly could not give a crap cwydro Sep 2014 #97

How are they racist for wanting to avoid the huge disruption that would result Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #116

yeah, yeah heaven05 Sep 2014 #141

fuck them. spanone Sep 2014 #120

lol, how dare those clubs decide against disrupting hundreds tritsofme Sep 2014 #126

lol. that one person is the President of the u.s. fucking assholes yes. spanone Sep 2014 #129

And...so what? Our leaders are citizens, not royalty. tritsofme Sep 2014 #135

IT...now wait for it........????? heaven05 Sep 2014 #144

Nonsense. tritsofme Sep 2014 #145

Everything that happens doesn't have to be about race. WillowTree Sep 2014 #146