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37. The post is thoughtful and

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:51 PM

Sep 2014

difficult to refute. But I always wonder what would actually happen if we didn't "do something to show that we're strong", if we stood up to the energy barons and all the 1%ers, if our president hadn't learned that he needs to go along to get along. What if he had surrounded himself with advisers who believed as he said he did that we could not win nations by invading them, that we can never solve the mideast's (or the world's) problems with bombs. And he (and we) acted on what we know is right?

Somehow the Tea Party RWs got a lot of people elected to local and national leadership. Somehow they got people to believe their weird ideology would make them and our nation stronger, just like John Galt said. And they didn't do it by giving up those beliefs and compromising, something liberals think we must do to win anything.

One time there was a man who debated Jesus: How many times do I have to forgive my brother who sins against me (he's really a bad guy) as much as seven times? (before I drop a bomb on him) Jesus says: more like seventy times seven! The man said: You've got to be kidding me, there's no way. Jesus probably said: Why did you ask if you didn't really want to know what might work?

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Yes, this is all about energy--Syria, Iraq, IS, and the President's Speech. [View all] Laelth Sep 2014 OP

But what's the point of democracy CJCRANE Sep 2014 #1

We must defend our allies. Laelth Sep 2014 #2

So we're just along for the ride? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #3

Nobody's lying here, as far as I can tell. Laelth Sep 2014 #5

A whole bunch of countries CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7

I see no evidence that "the rest of the world" sees this as absurd. Laelth Sep 2014 #8

That's just a couple of our allies. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #12

I read or watch whatever gets posted on DU and Discussionist. Laelth Sep 2014 #21

Our "European allies". Does that include the citizens of said countries CJCRANE Sep 2014 #22

The "citizens" of those countries appear to be opposed to further war. Laelth Sep 2014 #24

You make some good points but that's only part of it. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #26

I certainly expect politicians to advance the interests of the people in a republic. Laelth Sep 2014 #56

GE, Citibank, GM, Boeing, BP, Tyson Foods, KFC, Procter&Gamble leftstreet Sep 2014 #4

wow. that top pic. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #39

Indeed....Laeth does package it beautifully....But leaves out the ugly parts... KoKo Sep 2014 #6

But you are spouting reality! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #9

Essential liberalism, as I have often argued. Laelth Sep 2014 #10

Very well said! MohRokTah Sep 2014 #11

Quite true. Laelth Sep 2014 #28

There is no doubt that mistakes were made. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #29

Agreed. Quite fully. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #30

Damn, Laelth, this is perfect: riqster Sep 2014 #16

Thanks. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #27

How well do you think you precieve reality? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #46

Interesting question. Laelth Sep 2014 #50

I really like your version of liberalism. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #57

Me too. Thanks. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #58

well worth the long read. kick. Sheri Sep 2014 #13

Thanks for the kind words. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #34

Excellent, Laelth. brer cat Sep 2014 #14

This is a delicate and complicated matter. Laelth Sep 2014 #15

Humans have been killing each other over resources since the beginning of time. Doesn't make it liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #17

No. It doesn't. Laelth Sep 2014 #35

No, this is just another aspect of the clash of cultures. randome Sep 2014 #18

Interesting perspective. Laelth Sep 2014 #36

Uh-huh. randome Sep 2014 #48

Atrocities? Laelth Sep 2014 #55

This starts out looking informative and ends up saying absolutely nothing of consequence Maven Sep 2014 #19

In all fairness, the post isn't self-contradictory. Laelth Sep 2014 #20

Not much unless it is your family being bombed. JEB Sep 2014 #43

Violence is STILL not the way. RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #23

It's about politics and economics. Laelth Sep 2014 #51

Like I said RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #53

I am open to any program you have in mind ... Laelth Sep 2014 #54

UnRec bvar22 Sep 2014 #25

I'd love to hear about the "other options" you have in mind. Laelth Sep 2014 #52

You did not provide any links for the gas going from the Kurds to Europe. former9thward Sep 2014 #31

The information you seek can be found from the links below. Laelth Sep 2014 #32

Europe uses 21,000,000 barrels of oil a day. former9thward Sep 2014 #33

The post is thoughtful and locks Sep 2014 #37

The fuck? For a fraction of the cost of war(s), we could be up and running on renewable energy. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #38

The problem for oil would be if ISIS threatened the oil production areas in southern Iraq, amandabeech Sep 2014 #40

I have great respect for you, but this post is mostly horseshit hueymahl Sep 2014 #41

Cross-post. Laelth Sep 2014 #42

Kick their ass and take their gas! J_J_ Sep 2014 #44

I think you mean Phil and Wendy Gramm, right? Bongo Prophet Sep 2014 #59

Yes, basically true. kentuck Sep 2014 #45

We need more war to win elections? ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #47

I think Laelth is trying too hard to be subtle and sarcastic. randome Sep 2014 #49