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True Blue Door

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16. Absolutely, at least in some places.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:26 AM
Sep 2014

We could expect, however, that the social and political fabric of space colonies would not be monolithic. I find it fun to speculate about forms it would take in what places, and within the same context. E.g., what the spread of political ideologies would look like on Mars, and what kind geographies they would respectively gravitate toward.

My speculations tend toward a few broad strokes over the long-term:

For Mars: Miners and plains people - conservative, exploitative, competitive. Hill, mountain, canyon people - liberal, environmentalist, urban, more interested in education beyond the practical (e.g., artistic), economically rich but more interested in applying than increasing it.

For the Moon: Undboutedly some day property on the Moon facing Earth would cost a lot more than property on the Far Side, for the views. And within the Earth-facing side, the most expensive views would occur along a ring that have the Earth in the most aesthetically pleasing angle of the sky, neither so high that you have to crane your neck, nor so low that it looks strange and unimportant. So I would expect the Near side to be richer and more conservative, and yet more environmentally preservationist to preserve the view of the Moon from Earth, while the Far Side could be anything - perhaps more frontierlike and developmental.

Free-space colonies that have to be completely built and regulated artificially must be strictly controlled, so there is a danger with those of becoming oligarchical or even totalitarian. After all, when a government knows - and most know - every minute detail of your life down to your breathing and defecation, and can use that information regulate everything from the mineral content of your water to the ionization of the air you breathe, the potential for abuse is massive. So if there end up being thousands of free-floating station-states out there, any number of them could be gruesomely tyrannical or just highly exploitive (like living in a bad time-share condo with hidden fees everywhere). Some, of course, if they were begun with the highest moral virtues in mind, and designed and managed pragmatically to take care of where reality meets ideals, could be functionally utopian, and full of life and intellectual brilliance.

My sense is that gas giant moon colonies will end up being so rich that they'll become very insular and accultured rather than enterprising , like the Virginia colony became - not a bad or brutal society like the Deep South, but inward-looking and not very interested in change, somewhat suspicious of the more active societies in other regions.

Asteroid Belt colonies, though, I think will become like the new Aegean. So many permutations, so much rapid feedback, economic interaction, and recombination of peoples and ideas. You'd end up with various alliances and leagues; the hyper-democratic, benevolent ones; the defensive, neutral ones; and the horrifying, predatory, despotic ones. Lots of fun to imagine.

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Space Opinions Survey [View all] True Blue Door Sep 2014 OP
Maybe you should pst these as polls? 1) all the money for war to go to NASA. Higher. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #1
What does "Pst" mean? True Blue Door Sep 2014 #3
I'm going with "post" Agschmid Sep 2014 #7
Like Wales, maybe grahamgreen can't afford too many vowels. randome Sep 2014 #28
Pahahahaha NuclearDem Sep 2014 #32
I knew someone would get that. randome Sep 2014 #36
Gotta agree with your funding priority. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #14
My answers MohRokTah Sep 2014 #2
WRT #15, that's what we hope, but... True Blue Door Sep 2014 #4
I have to agree, but there's been social evolution since then. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #5
Absolutely, at least in some places. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #16
I disagree. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #23
Interesting points about Europa and Titan. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #24
These answers: Tikki Sep 2014 #6
Secondary questions. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #25
1. NASA's budget should be higher. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #8
Good galls, in general. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #26
Have you read Red Mars, Green Mars, and Blue Mars? SoLeftIAmRight Sep 2014 #9
The Mars trilogy is one of the most inspiring works ever. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #17
Right now, I believe we should drop every program but those that totally foster the well being of Zorra Sep 2014 #10
Do you consider space exploration and the mastering of spaceflight critical Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #11
My friend, I don't see human survival as anything important in the current or future state of the Zorra Sep 2014 #12
I agree with everything in your posts, Zorra Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #13
I hope so, but don't want to risk destroying the universe before we Zorra Sep 2014 #15
I suspect it will be an extremely long time before we Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #18
There is a slight discontinuity of analogy. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #29
This is a pretty vague standard. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #27
Five years after Augustine: How does the panel feel about NASA’s Space Launch System? bananas Sep 2014 #19
NASA budget should be unlimited. taken out of the militarys. KG Sep 2014 #20
Love with the idea of unlimited budgets for unmanned exploration. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #30
These are all really good questions. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #21
I like space onions... Earth_First Sep 2014 #22
NASA steelsmith Sep 2014 #31
1. Higher, along with all scientific endeavours. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #33
A larger space station and a base on mars, but I would rather we green the deserts. Sunlei Sep 2014 #34
Here we go: NuclearDem Sep 2014 #35
Humankind is not that special, and we are not yet space-worthy. hunter Sep 2014 #37
Quick answers bananas Sep 2014 #38
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