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1StrongBlackMan

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109. To be clear ...

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:58 AM

Sep 2014

I have no doubt he is sincere in his opposition to the 1%, and in his support for "progressive values" ... I have no problem with that. (Though I suspect that his concern is born of feeling, personally, betrayed by a system for which he was comfortable with until he wasn't as richly rewarded as he desired/"deserved to be&quot .

However, my grievance with him (and most "progressive" on this site) is their claiming the whole of the Democratic Party for themselves, defining it by their narrow set of interests, while, at best, ignoring/minimizing, and in the worst - but, most frequent case - attempting to re-define the interests of the Democratic Party's most consistent membership, e.g., PoC, in a way that is antithetical to how we have defined them. I am specifically referring to his/their penchant for telling PoC that the racism that we face, pales in comparison/is less relevant than, classism.

That is not our experience; it is dismissive and offensive ... it serves to make his/their issue OUR issue; while leaving OUR issue, OUR issue.

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Dear Democratic Leaders: I Propose a Cease-Fire [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 OP

Here ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #1

So you don't think progressives can be Democrats. Interesting. Scuba Sep 2014 #2

Well, at least he's not calling me a Libertarian or whatever MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #3

Is that what I said? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #12

Democrats, in your view, aren't progressives? LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #22

Twist it however you would like ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #35

Didn't have to twist anything LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #75

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #79

Moar Airquotes plz, "1StrongBlackMan" bobduca Sep 2014 #116

More internet stalking, bob. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #137

two replies in a thread and im stalking you? give it a rest bobduca Sep 2014 #148

There are many Democrats who are not progressive hack89 Sep 2014 #92

So you think that doubling H1-B visas is a Democratic ideal? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #5

I didn't say that either ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #14

Yes, you kinda did say that. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #15

Uhh, No. I didn't. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #16

But you're in favor of the President doubling H1-B visas, yes? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #23

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #37

Well here's your opportunity to clarify your stand. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #68

Thank you for granting me audience ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #70

Really? I must have missed it in all the crap you were flinging at the OP. I would appreciate rhett o rick Sep 2014 #71

Go away. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #73

Are you supportive of giving away jobs to Corporate interests in order to ensure higher sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #29

Let me predict... MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #32

I don't know what he said. But I'm interested to know who is on the side of the working class sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #34

Well, congratulations ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #41

Personal attack. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #48

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #49

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #38

So then you oppose what the President is about to do? Good, so do I. Unless those immigrant sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #40

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #42

At my place of work Generic Other Sep 2014 #130

Good ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #133

I think it is a DC ideal- Both parties do it because both parties rely on big business for money Marrah_G Sep 2014 #27

I think you're right. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #28

Why do you keep including yourself in the ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #43

You really have no idea, do you? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #44

So your beef is ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #46

Is that why Elizabeth Warren fights for us? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #47

I can't speak to them ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #52

That has zero to do with your disgusting attack MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #53

Truth Hurts? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #55

So Elizabeth Warren is the poster girl for white privilege? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #56

Arguably so ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #57

Incredible. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #58

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #62

You'll get a hidden post looooong before the self reflection happens Number23 Sep 2014 #64

Wow, you really have an axe to grind, don't you? Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #77

If that's what you got from that exchange ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #80

Call 'em like I see 'em. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #98

And the person at the other end of the discussion? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #99

Ah, he started it, was that it? Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #100

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #101

But doesn't that just prove that you're not dismissing his argument on merit... Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #102

It goes to the veracity ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #105

Of course you will. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #106

When someone has shown you ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #107

What that shows is a differing understanding of what "poor, working class" means. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #108

To be clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #109

Please link to where - even once - I claimed to be poor MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #110

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #111

I looked up the definition, to make sure. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #112

What did you look up? Surely, with your Ivy-league education ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #114

If you're so interested in "veracity," woo me with science Sep 2014 #125

Bwah! Today he is trying to discredit your input because you aren't poor? woo me with science Sep 2014 #118

So you finally decided to answer the "Save Manny" call ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #134

And you just keep digging. woo me with science Sep 2014 #138

What is "my case"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #140

I never got the impression that the OP's posts were particularly self serving. If anything, Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #151

Just so we are on the same page ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #156

Wow. You brought the awesome to this thread! Just don't quote Spinal Tap to msanthrope Sep 2014 #139

Spinal Tap? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #141

I'm not sure that logic will help with this one MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #146

Indeed..."this one." Did you just call a fellow DUer "this one?" msanthrope Sep 2014 #153

clearly, I'm a virulent Republican racist MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #157

Clearly, you have been called out on your white privilege by a strong msanthrope Sep 2014 #165

Very telling, don't you think? nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #166

Indeed, Manny...but not surprising. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #168

As has been that of his fan club. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #171

They can't help their tone-deaf selves ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #170

Like a slow-motion self-immolation. woo me with science Sep 2014 #162

Finally ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #172

Man, i gotta tell you druidity33 Sep 2014 #93

An unnessary dig? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #96

Manny provokes... druidity33 Sep 2014 #97

That was nasty Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #129

Thank you for debating the topic ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #135

See my blue edit to post 138. woo me with science Sep 2014 #142

Perhaps, if you should spent ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #145

"Save Manny" call MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #147

Ahhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #152

So my claims to MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #158

Okay, Manny ... How about we call a Truce ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #159

Changing the topic *and* adding a straw person MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #163

So I take it that's a "No." ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #167

. kwassa Sep 2014 #94

no but DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #173

What's in a name? ljm2002 Sep 2014 #11

+1 ReRe Sep 2014 #19

. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #76

+1000000000 woo me with science Sep 2014 #126

Thank you. Your post says a lot. Many now believe that the Democratic Party is not synonymous rhett o rick Sep 2014 #67

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #69

Today's Democratic Party LEADERS embraces foreign policy, economic policies, rhett o rick Sep 2014 #72

Okay, Please pass the greens. eom 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #74

I don't care what label you choose to hang on me, bvar22 Sep 2014 #86

Why would you suggest that ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #87

the "manifesto" I cited.... bvar22 Sep 2014 #89

Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #91

LOL .... so true, so true. kwassa Sep 2014 #95

Same divisive bullshit from you as always bobduca Sep 2014 #115

^^^^^^Yes, that's exactly what it is.^^^^^^ woo me with science Sep 2014 #121

"Ignore" works. eom 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #136

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #149

I am a Democrat--and I also call myself a progressive and a "far-left" liberal. tblue37 Sep 2014 #150

Thank you for your reasonable response ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #154

btw 1 strong DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #164

Soemone was harassing me? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #169

Believe me, you are by no means the only one who noticed Number23 Sep 2014 #174

A pissed off K&R. 99Forever Sep 2014 #4

Centrist Democrats LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #25

I'd be willing to join the cease-fire on those terms. Laelth Sep 2014 #6

You have fallen victim to the "lump of labor fallacy". Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #7

I'm guessing you don't work in tech. Marr Sep 2014 #8

The final paragraph of that link sums it up nicely: MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #9

We are constantly being told... ljm2002 Sep 2014 #13

You appear to have fallen victim to thinking H1B visas are permanent. jeff47 Sep 2014 #18

After 6 years they bring in another foriegn scab. Tommymac Sep 2014 #31

"Another foreign scab"? Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #39

So much for losing MY JOB to cheap foreign labor. Tommymac Sep 2014 #45

Are these immigrants being paid the going rate they should be getting? Or are they working sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #30

They are paid less. woo me with science Sep 2014 #143

Businesses are not lobbying for more visas in order to pay imported workers prevailing wages. Orsino Sep 2014 #144

That is what I thought. Just asking because it needed to be made clear, thank you. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #160

Like bush unilaterally invaded onecaliberal Sep 2014 #10

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #17

, blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #20

Hope the people in the video BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #21

They negotiated a settlement with the feds, MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #24

Well, they *are* job creators! BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #26

What's all this racket? OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #33

Personal attack. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #50

Alert it. (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #51

They're no longer illegal MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #54

Damn. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #59

I'm having a great night. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #60

Good tidings, then! OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #61

As yours will remain as a reminder, Sunny Jim. Jeff Rosenzweig Sep 2014 #63

Surely, as you say, the fault lies with publicizing the deed, MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #66

Soooo stealing this post. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #78

. Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #103

This boils down to woo me with science Sep 2014 #122

No, it boils down to STFU if you are an FDR Democrat Generic Other Sep 2014 #131

Don't you understand BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #132

Watch out--I got a post hidden because I quoted Spinal Tap to Manny. Some people msanthrope Sep 2014 #81

Not worried. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #82

I thought we had decided to merely decriminalize mentioning Rob Reiner films, rather msanthrope Sep 2014 #83

It's been left to the individual groups. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #84

In other words, "As they wish?" msanthrope Sep 2014 #85

Its Manny's version of the "War on Christmas" JoePhilly Sep 2014 #88

My job at the university in science was sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #36

Thanks, and that is what is being defended, replace American workers with cheap labor. A practice sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #161

He's powerless! BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #65

Seven of the ten top firms with H1-B Progressive dog Sep 2014 #90

That video . . . pa28 Sep 2014 #104

Why does activity meant to better the Democratic Party Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #113

Corporations using H1B visas ...saving money ...to give to congressional rats. L0oniX Sep 2014 #117

"How to Underpay H-1B Workers" OhioChick Sep 2014 #119

"The law only requires H-1B workers to be paid within 95% of the prevailing wage." woo me with science Sep 2014 #124

This has been going on for years and continues to OhioChick Sep 2014 #127

"Fed indictments tell how H-1B visas were used to undercut wages" OhioChick Sep 2014 #120

This should be an OP. woo me with science Sep 2014 #123

"This IT worker had to train an H-1B replacement" OhioChick Sep 2014 #128

Maybe ctsnowman Sep 2014 #155