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17. Not trying to paraphrase you, that's a mindset of many fans and players. You care about NFL's image

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:03 AM

Sep 2014

Which is just as worrisome.

Add male cheerleader, male and female. Also, let women into the boys club and be players.

Why not?

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What can the NFL do immediately to improve their image? Get rid of cheerleaders... [View all] PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 OP

Let's not be too hasty, now. randome Sep 2014 #1

All those women out of work yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #33

Maybe I didn't think that through enough. randome Sep 2014 #35

I understand your overall point yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #43

They can get other jobs. treestar Sep 2014 #63

Holy cow! Are you for real? yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #76

For most of them the pay is negligible as I understand it caraher Sep 2014 #172

Didn't they have to sue just to get roody Sep 2014 #176

the Green Bay cheerleaders are quite modest! big_dog Sep 2014 #129

That's what I think of when I hear the word "cheerleader." GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #152

The Lions used to simply invite high school squads caraher Sep 2014 #173

Of course it's the women's fault. Isn't it always? n/t Cleita Sep 2014 #2

Yes, this is victim blaming. It's the womens' fault. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #4

Are you mad? How in the wide, wide world of sports is this VICTIM blaming? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #12

You're worried about the NFL's image???? How about male cheerleaders and female players? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #15

Do you mean a Women's Football League? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #18

Mixed gender coed sports, like today's military and today's CEOs and every other thing. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #27

Why the hell not? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #31

Well, it was only a matter of time. Yes, those frail women, all weak and everything. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #37

Are we talking about the same sport here? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #49

We have coed little league, soccer, and football now for younger ones. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #52

"Your sick male-only sport is going to die. " cleanhippie Sep 2014 #69

Typical NFL sports fan reaction. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #78

Your POV seems divorced from reality. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #79

women are allowed in the NFL Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #105

There Is The WNBA ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #38

*crickets* GummyBearz Sep 2014 #70

So your solution is to "let women play and add male cheerleaders"... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #24

You are welcome to start your own coed professional football league. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #85

The Federal Government should shut down the sexist and misogynist NFL (nt) NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #89

Write your congressman. n/t Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #100

I prefer this moment to reveal those who enable the NFL, which enables violence against women. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #104

Knock yourself out. n/t Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #112

Ridiculous. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #153

Well, that, too. Taxpayers making owners richer. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #156

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Sep 2014 #178

Seriously? How about getting rid of the stupid ass violence out on the field. Victim blaming? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #3

If scantily clad dancers inspire violence how come dancers in Broadway Cleita Sep 2014 #5

Broadway only uses women for eye candy? No female actors and singers? kcr Sep 2014 #14

For one thing, the cheerleaders are dancers and athletes in their own right. Cleita Sep 2014 #130

You'd have a point if that were the only gateway available kcr Sep 2014 #143

In the eye of the beholder. Most of them work very hard at being as Cleita Sep 2014 #144

Well, good for them, I guess. kcr Sep 2014 #146

Who said they insprire violence? I read this to mean that women are being used in this position. We jwirr Sep 2014 #16

Nobody said they inspire violence. Some of us had said the sport is violent Cleita Sep 2014 #135

So using women purely as sex objects is okay if it's on Broadway? KittyWampus Sep 2014 #21

Nooooo... kcr Sep 2014 #36

Those women don't inspire violence and shouldn't be blamed for it. Cleita Sep 2014 #137

But no one is claiming cheerleaders inspire violence nor are they blaming them for it. kcr Sep 2014 #139

You need to seriously re-read the OP...you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #13

Not trying to paraphrase you, that's a mindset of many fans and players. You care about NFL's image NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #17

Why not? Because it won't happen, and it doesn't address the most obvious problem... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #26

Disallowing women from playing and earning $$$$ is the ULTIMATE sexist NFL thing to do. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #32

Any woman who can play at that level will be drafted Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #61

You say, "Women can't play AND we they shall NOT work as cheerleaders, either!" NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #34

Nice strawman/woman.... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #57

You need to get up to speed on this topic--women would make way more money in the concession stands. MADem Sep 2014 #131

I learned that today, about the pay, but the OP is still misguided. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #136

The "policy" needs to be that, regardless of the crime, football players aren't above the law. MADem Sep 2014 #151

A lot of these cheerleaders would "cheer" for free TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #155

What's your point? That exploitation is OK if maybe someone can gain from it? MADem Sep 2014 #158

What are the precise additions relevant in any measurable way to the outcome of the game, that cheer LanternWaste Sep 2014 #23

you must realize that the women in question are objects treestar Sep 2014 #64

I have an even better idea Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #6

Rather than blaming and punishing women sarisataka Sep 2014 #7

Isn't that the OP's point? kcr Sep 2014 #8

No, sarisataka Sep 2014 #28

How is that victim blaming? Explain the logic, please. kcr Sep 2014 #39

Gladly sarisataka Sep 2014 #45

Who were put there by the team kcr Sep 2014 #48

They are being blamed sarisataka Sep 2014 #53

Who is blaming them for their limited role? kcr Sep 2014 #56

I don't know how to be more clear sarisataka Sep 2014 #77

Not seeing the blame kcr Sep 2014 #83

Typically the person blamed sarisataka Sep 2014 #88

That's about as big of a stretch as I've ever seen. kcr Sep 2014 #96

So if I want to get rid of prostitution, I'm blaming the prostitutes? treestar Sep 2014 #65

Do you deny sarisataka Sep 2014 #73

some people can't do analogies I guess treestar Sep 2014 #189

Apparently, yes... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #74

I didn't read the OP that way at all wryter2000 Sep 2014 #181

The Cheerleaders Are The Only Visible Presence? ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #40

Last I heard, sarisataka Sep 2014 #46

That Is Not, However, What You Wrote ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #122

I read it as "women need to know their place". This is a mans' game, women can sell beer, maybe.... NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #41

I am baffled sarisataka Sep 2014 #50

The problem with your argument kcr Sep 2014 #55

Would you use that same argument sarisataka Sep 2014 #81

How is that even remotely the same argument? kcr Sep 2014 #92

You are getting close sarisataka Sep 2014 #95

The answer is to let the cheerleaders play football? kcr Sep 2014 #99

I've known women sarisataka Sep 2014 #102

Okay. Do you honestly think the argument is get rid of cheer leaders kcr Sep 2014 #110

Not a soccer fan ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2014 #121

A lot of "small," but otherwise talented male players TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #157

Coaches? Don't most coaches have at least some experience in playing the game? MADem Sep 2014 #101

An actual NFL sarisataka Sep 2014 #108

I think playing experience--at some level beyond Pop Warner--is pretty much expected in most MADem Sep 2014 #126

Cheerleaders earn crap wages mythology Sep 2014 #82

I just learned that this morning. Cheerleaders+ ~$80/game, Practice Squad players= ~$6,250/game. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #87

Only one reason they don't make much money The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #117

And it's also why all the suggestions to increase their job responsibilities is laughable, too. kcr Sep 2014 #140

If the had male cheerleaders, so as to inspire the female crowd. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #9

Boxing has bikini-clad women in high heels announcing the next round. Atman Sep 2014 #22

If they had that shirtless guy in a kilt, whose the lead in the TV Cleita Sep 2014 #132

+1000 leftynyc Sep 2014 #10

A lot of other sports also use scantily dressed women to enhance their programs. I remember the jwirr Sep 2014 #11

Several teams do not have them so clearly they aren't essential to the game Johonny Sep 2014 #19

I agree with you PasadenaTrudy Sep 2014 #20

Think you might find this article of interest theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #25

Well said. JNelson6563 Sep 2014 #47

Why is it that ONLY MEN are allowed to become millionairre players? WTF? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #29

You Are, Of Course, Using Hyperbole. ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #42

No. Women should be allowed to become players. Women are tough and fast. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #44

If you are serious Lurker Deluxe Sep 2014 #59

Skip seems to be playing a game here. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #72

Is it sexist to suggest that just about any woman if she collided with guy would get seriously hurt? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #90

It would be if we were talking about all women and all men. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #106

"Any woman that is able to get on an NFL team and compete at that level has my full support." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #109

FYI, Skip is a man. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #171

My bad. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #177

I read that they are allowed to try out NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #127

Hardly What I Said and You Know It ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #124

FREE MARKET TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #159

I'd pay good money to watch cheerleaders play football. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #166

Ask Lauren Silberman. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #197

Token effort and totally trashed n the NFL videos. nt NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #198

Bears Got Rid of Their Troupe in The mid-80's ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #30

The real problem with the cheerleaders is the NFL's sweatshop work conditions for them. alarimer Sep 2014 #51

Well when do you think we can get the burkas upaloopa Sep 2014 #54

The boys don't want their silly game to suffer. So, no girls allowed! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #93

They are not employed by or required by the NFL, but the team. Many teams don't have them at all. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #58

"Ladies, to fix the perception that the NFL has no respect for women, we're firing you all, hughee99 Sep 2014 #60

Firing? They don't pay them diddly--they'll have more time to get real jobs that don't MADem Sep 2014 #161

I'm not suggeting they're treated well, hughee99 Sep 2014 #168

That's like saying that the exploited workers in the farm fields who worked for a couple of dollars MADem Sep 2014 #170

You've suggested the cheerleaders would have more time to get real jobs hughee99 Sep 2014 #174

No--you're not GETTING IT. If you employ a person, pay them a FAIR WAGE. Give them benefits. MADem Sep 2014 #184

Please show me where I said I thought they shouldn't get a fair wage? hughee99 Sep 2014 #185

Your comments about the "recourse" available to them is your "on the other hand." MADem Sep 2014 #191

You were the one that compared them to undocumented farm workers, hughee99 Sep 2014 #192

And these women don't either--if they're spending forty hours a week trying to MADem Sep 2014 #193

No dice. If your going to continue to base hughee99 Sep 2014 #194

Whatever. nt MADem Sep 2014 #196

good idea treestar Sep 2014 #62

Do you believe the attire of college female cheerleaders is not more "sexy" than the BillZBubb Sep 2014 #68

The men's costumes look like something Wally Cleaver would wear to the sock hop. MADem Sep 2014 #163

I don't know treestar Sep 2014 #190

Should we outlaw cheerleading in high schools as well? BillZBubb Sep 2014 #66

Yes. Absolutely. PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #71

Well, that would disappoint my daughter Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #97

Mustn't let young women tarnish the image of the NFL, this is about preserving and protecting them! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #103

What ARE you talking about? mr blur Sep 2014 #116

"What can the NFL do immediately to improve their image? Get rid of cheerleaders..." NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #125

Try reading the WHOLE post.... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #148

You should have included this Philly dot com story in the OP: NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #149

I don't read the OP as real concern for the NFL wryter2000 Sep 2014 #183

if they ever had sexy boys cheering for the GIRLS teams that would be nice... Scout Sep 2014 #119

High school cheerleading is nothing like the NFL version.. EX500rider Sep 2014 #167

I'd settle for them paying the cheerleaders an adequate wage KamaAina Sep 2014 #67

That's the truth! But pretty typical in that sport, that mindset, and our sexist society. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #80

Thank you. That was going to be my comment, too. PDJane Sep 2014 #84

I think that is a "baby with the bathwater" suggestion Sivafae Sep 2014 #75

NFL pro cheerleading has nothing to do with athleticism kcr Sep 2014 #111

That ain't sacrilegious. It's sexist and it's misogynist. But it ain't sacrilegious. Iggo Sep 2014 #86

There are a lot of teams who already don't have Cheerleaders. dilby Sep 2014 #91

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!! MADem Sep 2014 #94

Gads.... Oktober Sep 2014 #98

I'll settle for men not battering women and... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #107

cheerleaders are mute? MisterP Sep 2014 #113

Er. Yeah. OK. LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #114

Good grief... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #115

No. No, I think I got the point just fine LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #118

Nope, you missed the point. Completely. PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #120

Maybe your post is at fault hor them missing the point! Nt Logical Sep 2014 #145

There will never be a deaniac21 Sep 2014 #123

'cept they were the first Lurker Deluxe Sep 2014 #128

I'm all for cheerleaders: MineralMan Sep 2014 #133

Haha this thread illustrates perfectly why DU is a mess. Egnever Sep 2014 #134

Yes. Cleita Sep 2014 #138

I have no idea why people are piling on this OP. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #141

I think people have an issue with this because it's not the same issue. hughee99 Sep 2014 #142

I see how you can read it that way, but I didn't. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #180

Sorry, but that's a crock badtoworse Sep 2014 #147

Awwwwww!!! Come on! GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #150

Can't we just make them wear burkas?? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #154

Rah rah rah! edbermac Sep 2014 #162

What would professional team sports be without objectification of women on the side? eShirl Sep 2014 #160

Or maybe make it a terminable offense if you punch and knockout your wife/girlfriend? Rex Sep 2014 #164

A better suggestion exboyfil Sep 2014 #165

I've got a better idea. How about those who don't like the NFL LittleBlue Sep 2014 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #179

They could pay the cheerleaders a better salary. JEB Sep 2014 #182

Just came here to post this! Circus elephants get more peanuts! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #186

firing all of the cheerleaders would improve their image? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #187

A better idea would be to actually *pay* them Lancero Sep 2014 #188

You DO realize some teams don't have them...right? ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #195