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PoutrageFatigue

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148. Try reading the WHOLE post....

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 03:53 PM

Sep 2014

...you know...CONTEXT and all that....

This post is not about the players, or the violence inherent in the sport itself, but about the league sending the wrong message to MEN....

Re-read the first sentence. It specifically references a comment made by James Brown on the CBS broadcast of the game last night. THAT is what this post is about and it has nothing to do with your wildly inaccurate accusations.

If the NFL is worried about its image, then the least it could do is stop objectifying women, and using women, and femininity as a slur like "you throw like a girl", or "you're a p*ssy"...But sure, my suggestion that the quickest, most obvious way that the NFL could show that is was serious about re-configuring it's attitude toward women is to get rid of the sexbots on the sideline...

But yeah, I'm actually victim-blaming....

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What can the NFL do immediately to improve their image? Get rid of cheerleaders... [View all] PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 OP

Let's not be too hasty, now. randome Sep 2014 #1

All those women out of work yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #33

Maybe I didn't think that through enough. randome Sep 2014 #35

I understand your overall point yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #43

They can get other jobs. treestar Sep 2014 #63

Holy cow! Are you for real? yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #76

For most of them the pay is negligible as I understand it caraher Sep 2014 #172

Didn't they have to sue just to get roody Sep 2014 #176

the Green Bay cheerleaders are quite modest! big_dog Sep 2014 #129

That's what I think of when I hear the word "cheerleader." GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #152

The Lions used to simply invite high school squads caraher Sep 2014 #173

Of course it's the women's fault. Isn't it always? n/t Cleita Sep 2014 #2

Yes, this is victim blaming. It's the womens' fault. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #4

Are you mad? How in the wide, wide world of sports is this VICTIM blaming? PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #12

You're worried about the NFL's image???? How about male cheerleaders and female players? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #15

Do you mean a Women's Football League? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #18

Mixed gender coed sports, like today's military and today's CEOs and every other thing. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #27

Why the hell not? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #31

Well, it was only a matter of time. Yes, those frail women, all weak and everything. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #37

Are we talking about the same sport here? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #49

We have coed little league, soccer, and football now for younger ones. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #52

"Your sick male-only sport is going to die. " cleanhippie Sep 2014 #69

Typical NFL sports fan reaction. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #78

Your POV seems divorced from reality. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #79

women are allowed in the NFL Travis_0004 Sep 2014 #105

There Is The WNBA ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #38

*crickets* GummyBearz Sep 2014 #70

So your solution is to "let women play and add male cheerleaders"... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #24

You are welcome to start your own coed professional football league. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #85

The Federal Government should shut down the sexist and misogynist NFL (nt) NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #89

Write your congressman. n/t Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #100

I prefer this moment to reveal those who enable the NFL, which enables violence against women. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #104

Knock yourself out. n/t Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #112

Ridiculous. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #153

Well, that, too. Taxpayers making owners richer. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #156

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Sep 2014 #178

Seriously? How about getting rid of the stupid ass violence out on the field. Victim blaming? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #3

If scantily clad dancers inspire violence how come dancers in Broadway Cleita Sep 2014 #5

Broadway only uses women for eye candy? No female actors and singers? kcr Sep 2014 #14

For one thing, the cheerleaders are dancers and athletes in their own right. Cleita Sep 2014 #130

You'd have a point if that were the only gateway available kcr Sep 2014 #143

In the eye of the beholder. Most of them work very hard at being as Cleita Sep 2014 #144

Well, good for them, I guess. kcr Sep 2014 #146

Who said they insprire violence? I read this to mean that women are being used in this position. We jwirr Sep 2014 #16

Nobody said they inspire violence. Some of us had said the sport is violent Cleita Sep 2014 #135

So using women purely as sex objects is okay if it's on Broadway? KittyWampus Sep 2014 #21

Nooooo... kcr Sep 2014 #36

Those women don't inspire violence and shouldn't be blamed for it. Cleita Sep 2014 #137

But no one is claiming cheerleaders inspire violence nor are they blaming them for it. kcr Sep 2014 #139

You need to seriously re-read the OP...you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #13

Not trying to paraphrase you, that's a mindset of many fans and players. You care about NFL's image NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #17

Why not? Because it won't happen, and it doesn't address the most obvious problem... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #26

Disallowing women from playing and earning $$$$ is the ULTIMATE sexist NFL thing to do. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #32

Any woman who can play at that level will be drafted Goblinmonger Sep 2014 #61

You say, "Women can't play AND we they shall NOT work as cheerleaders, either!" NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #34

Nice strawman/woman.... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #57

You need to get up to speed on this topic--women would make way more money in the concession stands. MADem Sep 2014 #131

I learned that today, about the pay, but the OP is still misguided. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #136

The "policy" needs to be that, regardless of the crime, football players aren't above the law. MADem Sep 2014 #151

A lot of these cheerleaders would "cheer" for free TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #155

What's your point? That exploitation is OK if maybe someone can gain from it? MADem Sep 2014 #158

What are the precise additions relevant in any measurable way to the outcome of the game, that cheer LanternWaste Sep 2014 #23

you must realize that the women in question are objects treestar Sep 2014 #64

I have an even better idea Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #6

Rather than blaming and punishing women sarisataka Sep 2014 #7

Isn't that the OP's point? kcr Sep 2014 #8

No, sarisataka Sep 2014 #28

How is that victim blaming? Explain the logic, please. kcr Sep 2014 #39

Gladly sarisataka Sep 2014 #45

Who were put there by the team kcr Sep 2014 #48

They are being blamed sarisataka Sep 2014 #53

Who is blaming them for their limited role? kcr Sep 2014 #56

I don't know how to be more clear sarisataka Sep 2014 #77

Not seeing the blame kcr Sep 2014 #83

Typically the person blamed sarisataka Sep 2014 #88

That's about as big of a stretch as I've ever seen. kcr Sep 2014 #96

So if I want to get rid of prostitution, I'm blaming the prostitutes? treestar Sep 2014 #65

Do you deny sarisataka Sep 2014 #73

some people can't do analogies I guess treestar Sep 2014 #189

Apparently, yes... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #74

I didn't read the OP that way at all wryter2000 Sep 2014 #181

The Cheerleaders Are The Only Visible Presence? ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #40

Last I heard, sarisataka Sep 2014 #46

That Is Not, However, What You Wrote ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #122

I read it as "women need to know their place". This is a mans' game, women can sell beer, maybe.... NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #41

I am baffled sarisataka Sep 2014 #50

The problem with your argument kcr Sep 2014 #55

Would you use that same argument sarisataka Sep 2014 #81

How is that even remotely the same argument? kcr Sep 2014 #92

You are getting close sarisataka Sep 2014 #95

The answer is to let the cheerleaders play football? kcr Sep 2014 #99

I've known women sarisataka Sep 2014 #102

Okay. Do you honestly think the argument is get rid of cheer leaders kcr Sep 2014 #110

Not a soccer fan ... Lurker Deluxe Sep 2014 #121

A lot of "small," but otherwise talented male players TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #157

Coaches? Don't most coaches have at least some experience in playing the game? MADem Sep 2014 #101

An actual NFL sarisataka Sep 2014 #108

I think playing experience--at some level beyond Pop Warner--is pretty much expected in most MADem Sep 2014 #126

Cheerleaders earn crap wages mythology Sep 2014 #82

I just learned that this morning. Cheerleaders+ ~$80/game, Practice Squad players= ~$6,250/game. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #87

Only one reason they don't make much money The2ndWheel Sep 2014 #117

And it's also why all the suggestions to increase their job responsibilities is laughable, too. kcr Sep 2014 #140

If the had male cheerleaders, so as to inspire the female crowd. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #9

Boxing has bikini-clad women in high heels announcing the next round. Atman Sep 2014 #22

If they had that shirtless guy in a kilt, whose the lead in the TV Cleita Sep 2014 #132

+1000 leftynyc Sep 2014 #10

A lot of other sports also use scantily dressed women to enhance their programs. I remember the jwirr Sep 2014 #11

Several teams do not have them so clearly they aren't essential to the game Johonny Sep 2014 #19

I agree with you PasadenaTrudy Sep 2014 #20

Think you might find this article of interest theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #25

Well said. JNelson6563 Sep 2014 #47

Why is it that ONLY MEN are allowed to become millionairre players? WTF? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #29

You Are, Of Course, Using Hyperbole. ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #42

No. Women should be allowed to become players. Women are tough and fast. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #44

If you are serious Lurker Deluxe Sep 2014 #59

Skip seems to be playing a game here. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #72

Is it sexist to suggest that just about any woman if she collided with guy would get seriously hurt? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #90

It would be if we were talking about all women and all men. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #106

"Any woman that is able to get on an NFL team and compete at that level has my full support." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #109

FYI, Skip is a man. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #171

My bad. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #177

I read that they are allowed to try out NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #127

Hardly What I Said and You Know It ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #124

FREE MARKET TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #159

I'd pay good money to watch cheerleaders play football. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #166

Ask Lauren Silberman. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #197

Token effort and totally trashed n the NFL videos. nt NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #198

Bears Got Rid of Their Troupe in The mid-80's ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #30

The real problem with the cheerleaders is the NFL's sweatshop work conditions for them. alarimer Sep 2014 #51

Well when do you think we can get the burkas upaloopa Sep 2014 #54

The boys don't want their silly game to suffer. So, no girls allowed! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #93

They are not employed by or required by the NFL, but the team. Many teams don't have them at all. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #58

"Ladies, to fix the perception that the NFL has no respect for women, we're firing you all, hughee99 Sep 2014 #60

Firing? They don't pay them diddly--they'll have more time to get real jobs that don't MADem Sep 2014 #161

I'm not suggeting they're treated well, hughee99 Sep 2014 #168

That's like saying that the exploited workers in the farm fields who worked for a couple of dollars MADem Sep 2014 #170

You've suggested the cheerleaders would have more time to get real jobs hughee99 Sep 2014 #174

No--you're not GETTING IT. If you employ a person, pay them a FAIR WAGE. Give them benefits. MADem Sep 2014 #184

Please show me where I said I thought they shouldn't get a fair wage? hughee99 Sep 2014 #185

Your comments about the "recourse" available to them is your "on the other hand." MADem Sep 2014 #191

You were the one that compared them to undocumented farm workers, hughee99 Sep 2014 #192

And these women don't either--if they're spending forty hours a week trying to MADem Sep 2014 #193

No dice. If your going to continue to base hughee99 Sep 2014 #194

Whatever. nt MADem Sep 2014 #196

good idea treestar Sep 2014 #62

Do you believe the attire of college female cheerleaders is not more "sexy" than the BillZBubb Sep 2014 #68

The men's costumes look like something Wally Cleaver would wear to the sock hop. MADem Sep 2014 #163

I don't know treestar Sep 2014 #190

Should we outlaw cheerleading in high schools as well? BillZBubb Sep 2014 #66

Yes. Absolutely. PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #71

Well, that would disappoint my daughter Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #97

Mustn't let young women tarnish the image of the NFL, this is about preserving and protecting them! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #103

What ARE you talking about? mr blur Sep 2014 #116

"What can the NFL do immediately to improve their image? Get rid of cheerleaders..." NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #125

Try reading the WHOLE post.... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #148

You should have included this Philly dot com story in the OP: NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #149

I don't read the OP as real concern for the NFL wryter2000 Sep 2014 #183

if they ever had sexy boys cheering for the GIRLS teams that would be nice... Scout Sep 2014 #119

High school cheerleading is nothing like the NFL version.. EX500rider Sep 2014 #167

I'd settle for them paying the cheerleaders an adequate wage KamaAina Sep 2014 #67

That's the truth! But pretty typical in that sport, that mindset, and our sexist society. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #80

Thank you. That was going to be my comment, too. PDJane Sep 2014 #84

I think that is a "baby with the bathwater" suggestion Sivafae Sep 2014 #75

NFL pro cheerleading has nothing to do with athleticism kcr Sep 2014 #111

That ain't sacrilegious. It's sexist and it's misogynist. But it ain't sacrilegious. Iggo Sep 2014 #86

There are a lot of teams who already don't have Cheerleaders. dilby Sep 2014 #91

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!! MADem Sep 2014 #94

Gads.... Oktober Sep 2014 #98

I'll settle for men not battering women and... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #107

cheerleaders are mute? MisterP Sep 2014 #113

Er. Yeah. OK. LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #114

Good grief... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #115

No. No, I think I got the point just fine LadyHawkAZ Sep 2014 #118

Nope, you missed the point. Completely. PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #120

Maybe your post is at fault hor them missing the point! Nt Logical Sep 2014 #145

There will never be a deaniac21 Sep 2014 #123

'cept they were the first Lurker Deluxe Sep 2014 #128

I'm all for cheerleaders: MineralMan Sep 2014 #133

Haha this thread illustrates perfectly why DU is a mess. Egnever Sep 2014 #134

Yes. Cleita Sep 2014 #138

I have no idea why people are piling on this OP. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #141

I think people have an issue with this because it's not the same issue. hughee99 Sep 2014 #142

I see how you can read it that way, but I didn't. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #180

Sorry, but that's a crock badtoworse Sep 2014 #147

Awwwwww!!! Come on! GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #150

Can't we just make them wear burkas?? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #154

Rah rah rah! edbermac Sep 2014 #162

What would professional team sports be without objectification of women on the side? eShirl Sep 2014 #160

Or maybe make it a terminable offense if you punch and knockout your wife/girlfriend? Rex Sep 2014 #164

A better suggestion exboyfil Sep 2014 #165

I've got a better idea. How about those who don't like the NFL LittleBlue Sep 2014 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #179

They could pay the cheerleaders a better salary. JEB Sep 2014 #182

Just came here to post this! Circus elephants get more peanuts! WinkyDink Sep 2014 #186

firing all of the cheerleaders would improve their image? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #187

A better idea would be to actually *pay* them Lancero Sep 2014 #188

You DO realize some teams don't have them...right? ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #195