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TwilightGardener

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77. Nobody is blaming the family for being upset. I think we all understand

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:58 PM

Sep 2014

how desperate they must have been. But again, we're only hearing their side, their judgment. They may have misunderstandings and inaccurate perceptions of the true situation, and certainly there's information they don't have access to. I wouldn't be happy if I got the worst result possible of a hostage situation--I'd be full of "if only's" and full of anger and blame. But the government cannot rescue everyone from their bad choices or circumstances. They just can't.

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OMG !!! - 'Government Threatened Foley Family Over Ransom Payments, Mother of Slain Journalist Says' [View all] WillyT Sep 2014 OP

Did they ask for a ransom? JaneyVee Sep 2014 #1

Here: WillyT Sep 2014 #8

Are you aware that ransoms are a major source of funding for ISIS? pnwmom Sep 2014 #23

I think you would change your tune . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #36

Where did I criticize the family? Their reaction is perfectly understandable. pnwmom Sep 2014 #37

And what do you have to say to the families? Brigid Sep 2014 #40

I would say I'm very sorry for your loss. pnwmom Sep 2014 #47

You're right about one thing . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #51

This ^ AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #52

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #54

Amen. 840high Sep 2014 #84

So do we say to the family of the next one who is kidnapped, pnwmom Sep 2014 #94

LMFAO AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #116

That has been the practice with al Queda, who also kidnap for profit. pnwmom Sep 2014 #142

And your point is still AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #143

Agree. Agschmid Sep 2014 #93

Just finished reading book about a girl who got kidnapped in Somalia marlakay Sep 2014 #46

Yes... And Do YOU Realize You Wouldn't Have A Clue About The Situation On The Ground... WillyT Sep 2014 #53

Where have I criticized the journalists? n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #56

Well... Apparently You Are OK With The WH Sending An Officer In Full Regalia To Threaten The Family WillyT Sep 2014 #59

Where did you read the "full regalia" part of this? pnwmom Sep 2014 #62

How Would They Know That He Was "Highly Decorated" Without Him Wearing Them ??? WillyT Sep 2014 #63

No you are not the only one outraged. zappaman Sep 2014 #64

I Don't Give One Fuck About The Tea-Baggers... WillyT Sep 2014 #66

So your position is that financing terrorism is ok, so long as they take your family member hostage? mattclearing Sep 2014 #108

Exactly. Brigid Sep 2014 #65

That was the reporter's paraphrase, and we interpreted it differently. pnwmom Sep 2014 #69

ummmmmmm DustyJoe Sep 2014 #86

Al Queda and ISIS are separate entities. And no money exchanged hands pnwmom Sep 2014 #87

They weren't members of al queda, they were Taliban and deemed relatively harmless.. glowing Sep 2014 #131

Except the major war criminal, you mean? DirkGently Sep 2014 #133

I would wait until it was my son, brother, sister, mother they were threatening to kill unless they sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #103

Ransom money IS a major source of funding for ISIS. pnwmom Sep 2014 #105

What encourages terrorism and kidnapping is our foreign policies, our very presence in these places, sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #132

Right wing is screaming about this too. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #2

We allow shipping companies to give the Somali pirates money. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #3

Hell... We Allow Certain Banks To Launder Money For The Murderous Drug Cartels... WillyT Sep 2014 #4

And no one ever goes to jail. Octafish Sep 2014 #29

Musn't interrupt the flow of Teh Marketz! n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #5

But but but but... Rex Sep 2014 #9

Did you read your own links? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #10

I can totally understand the family being upset. tanyev Sep 2014 #44

If ransom had been paid by government, the RW would scream the loudest in view of Reagan trading kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #68

Eric Holder represented Chiquita Banana Co when they were found guilty of paying terrorists Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #74

I need to hear more information on this before I know what to think. There HAS to be more to this. jillan Sep 2014 #6

The other side to this is that ISIS's major funding source is ransoms. pnwmom Sep 2014 #25

It's the public's perception of this that is going to matter. Lurks Often Sep 2014 #7

I would not be so sure. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #12

If we start paying ransom there will not be one ISIS but dozens of small terrorist groups that are jwirr Sep 2014 #11

This has been the US position for a long time. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #13

As a parent, I would ignore your fear. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #109

I hope you safely direct the lives of your adult children jberryhill Sep 2014 #112

And I would not blame you BUT how are you going to feel when the blowback comes and there are jwirr Sep 2014 #114

OMG! It's against Federal law to give money to terrorists! zappaman Sep 2014 #14

Your Compassion... Is Underwhelming... Again... WillyT Sep 2014 #60

WTF? zappaman Sep 2014 #61

I'd like to see a US Attorney with the chutzpah to actually charge someone for this. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #70

That would go over like a lead balloon wouldn't it. Autumn Sep 2014 #76

rec SammyWinstonJack Sep 2014 #15

For the record, I'd like to know the exact comments Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #16

There's ALWAYS a backstory. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #18

We'll see... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #30

Giving them factual information is a threat? elehhhhna Sep 2014 #31

It wouldn't appear so, apart from the potential of a dickhead throwing his weight around. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #34

Foley's brother was on Fox, only blaming the State Dept. instead of the NSC and TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #35

Yeah, saw that. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #38

But, we're launching another lost war because they didn't pay the ransom. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #17

Do you honestly believe ann--- Sep 2014 #20

How bizarre is that to not realize this is not happening because of one journalist? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #22

Help me, DU. How outraged am I supposed to be to be a good progressive??? NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #19

"supposed to be to be a good progressive" bobduca Sep 2014 #104

Too funny, Foxified version is that Americans should be allowed to give money to terrorists? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #21

Bingo. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #24

And I thought we don't negotiate with terrorists treestar Sep 2014 #78

Has anyone heard of the kidnapping industry in S. America? justiceischeap Sep 2014 #26

iirc Italy had a huge problem with this as well. elehhhhna Sep 2014 #33

So you would sacrifice the life of your child so that it wouldn't happen to anyone else? liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #100

agreed MFM008 Sep 2014 #107

this man was no child jberryhill Sep 2014 #113

They're upset and angry and can run to the media and say anything they wish. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #27

BTW: ABC's Brian Ross has a bad reputation for not being credible: TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #32

This is a sad thing, but I do not want our Gov. to ever 'ok' ransom payments to terrorist 'groups'. Sunlei Sep 2014 #28

Grieving mom blames and insinuates flamingdem Sep 2014 #39

Not paying ransom is the right thing to do, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #41

Yah ok. Agschmid Sep 2014 #42

The way the Foleys have been treated is downright sickening. Brigid Sep 2014 #43

How have they been treated exactly? pnwmom Sep 2014 #48

They were treated as if they were in the way. Brigid Sep 2014 #49

So the law should be ignored treestar Sep 2014 #80

A little compassion and sensitivity go a long way. Brigid Sep 2014 #82

it is possible to recognize that there is a law that ransoms can't be paid treestar Sep 2014 #83

Tragic. But, giving money to terrorists is illegal geek tragedy Sep 2014 #45

I'm curious on this point daredtowork Sep 2014 #85

Giving money to terrorists is illegal. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #88

Where is the list of "terrorists" you can't give money to? daredtowork Sep 2014 #89

State dept designates them Nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #90

That seems to mean daredtowork Sep 2014 #91

Your overthinking this and failing miserably. Agschmid Sep 2014 #118

If it ends up hurting the victim more than the terrorist daredtowork Sep 2014 #122

In a just society, there is no benefit to someone who kills without empathy, thought, or remorse. Agschmid Sep 2014 #123

I can't imagine how someone who kills can ever sleep again daredtowork Sep 2014 #128

This list is published here jberryhill Sep 2014 #95

There is a concept in Jewish law called Pikuach Nefesh. Brigid Sep 2014 #92

But ISIS will use that money to kill other people's sons and daughters. CBHagman Sep 2014 #96

So let me ask you something.... jberryhill Sep 2014 #97

Another situation where there are no good options. Brigid Sep 2014 #99

you will kill other people's children to save yours jberryhill Sep 2014 #115

I also wonder if daredtowork Sep 2014 #102

preservation of one life while endangering hundreds more is not a wise decision nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #121

Things in this country are coming unglued Doctor_J Sep 2014 #50

Swapping a life for cash, bad. Swapping one person for several prisoners, good. The Straight Story Sep 2014 #55

+1 liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #71

Those are other humans, not money treestar Sep 2014 #81

No difference at all, policy wise. DirkGently Sep 2014 #127

Yes, things are always so simple that a four-year-old could understand. randome Sep 2014 #57

TeaParty.org just sent me an email on this11!!!!111!!! BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #58

Good For You... Why Are You On Their List Exactly ??? WillyT Sep 2014 #67

Some of the responses in this thread are amazing. There literally is nothing the Obama liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #72

Bingo !!! - It's About Supporting This Administration... NO... MATTER... WHAT !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #73

Absolutely incorrect. It's about a policy of not encouraging people to kidnap geek tragedy Sep 2014 #125

So letting this man die was good policy because the people who SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #144

Yes, that is the point. If they see it does not pay geek tragedy Sep 2014 #145

You know what? If we were dealing with sane people.. SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #146

50 Europeans kidnapped, two Americans. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #147

Nobody is blaming the family for being upset. I think we all understand TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #77

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2014 #120

What? treestar Sep 2014 #79

I would be thinking of the next hostage whose capture I would be funding jberryhill Sep 2014 #98

I saw that movie too! bobduca Sep 2014 #106

I take it you have no children. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #110

You take it wrong jberryhill Sep 2014 #111

No, it's called being rational about policy that affects everyone. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #124

Trading prisoners is no different. DirkGently Sep 2014 #129

No. Prisoner swaps in an armed conflict that is winding down are geek tragedy Sep 2014 #134

You know that whole "winding down" thing is meaningless though, right? DirkGently Sep 2014 #135

It is not the same. It was a swap of prisoners of war. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #136

The rightwing talking points are all yours here. DirkGently Sep 2014 #138

The Taliban are an armed militia in the field of battle. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #139

The Taliban is on our list of designated terrorist organizations. DirkGently Sep 2014 #141

I thought sacrificing other people's kids was a conservative thing? DirkGently Sep 2014 #140

How many terrorist organizations has our CIA given money to? "Legally", of course. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #75

Exactly. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #101

OMG, we should have given them all our lunch money, then they wouldn't bully us! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #117

We should have just paid them. It's a stupid policy. LittleBlue Sep 2014 #119

iirc we're the only country that doesn't pay ransoms nashville_brook Sep 2014 #126

Bingo. We won't pay, but we'll go to war? DirkGently Sep 2014 #130

So, corporations pay ransom so often that DirkGently Sep 2014 #137