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10. If nothing else . . .

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Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:04 AM

Sep 2014

We'd quit making things worse than they already are.

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So if we pulled out of the Middle East, what would the probabilities be? [View all] Uncle Joe Sep 2014 OP

I doubt it. The other countries don't want to fight. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #1

Why haven't they already pulled the plug? n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #2

Because we're there to rescue the situation CJCRANE Sep 2014 #3

Why did they have the plug there in the first place? n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #4

TBH I'm not sure they can switch them off so easily CJCRANE Sep 2014 #5

That takes me back to my OP if we pulled out it would become even more difficult to Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #7

Please explain the antecedent to "They" in the sentence, "They would just pull the plug on ISIS"? JDPriestly Sep 2014 #6

I think they're an artificial group CJCRANE Sep 2014 #8

The extremists the MIC is funding and supporting would suddenly disappear and... 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #9

Many make huge profits from war and destruction, policy making and rebuilding. It's often hard to RKP5637 Sep 2014 #28

If nothing else . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #10

Better question, IMO: What has history taught us about NOT pulling out? merrily Sep 2014 #11

Agree! See #28. There is no clean cut solution, there are, as you say, RKP5637 Sep 2014 #30

Help them how? Like we helped the Iraqis free themselves of Saddam's brutality? merrily Sep 2014 #33

What would you do? n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #37

Not continue to bomb Iraqis. Honestly, did everyone here oppose pulling out in 2007? The neocons Chathamization Sep 2014 #48

It's a rut! Given our track record, and the current direction, we will be there for decades. RKP5637 Sep 2014 #55

Yeah, we used to say that if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Now folks say, "if you don't Chathamization Sep 2014 #60

Uncle Joe can't we just yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #12

Why is is so either/or in your scenario? cali Sep 2014 #13

I've often wondered that ... a radical change! Years ago as a student I worked for a RKP5637 Sep 2014 #31

Those in the MIC who get rich on our tax dollars would fight it? merrily Sep 2014 #34

The difficulty is we have a government infilitrated by the MIC, much as Eisenhower warned. That, is RKP5637 Sep 2014 #35

Back in the 1960's . . . OldRedneck Sep 2014 #14

I wasn't thinking of the 1960s so much as the 1910s Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #16

Well said OldRedneck coldbeer Sep 2014 #18

Golf courses. merrily Sep 2014 #36

Yes, it's there on DVD. Thanks, will watch it. RKP5637 Sep 2014 #38

Remember it's pre-Vietnam. Must have seemed funnier then. merrily Sep 2014 #41

Preview... Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #57

It seems pretty simple quakerboy Sep 2014 #15

I don't know whether this is true or not Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #17

Turkey quakerboy Sep 2014 #25

Turkey Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #26

Turkey wants those things quakerboy Sep 2014 #63

And yet China seems unconcerned. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #19

Why should they be? Either the U.S. stays in to stablize the situation Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #20

China and Russia play a better game of chess, I guess. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #21

I'm of the mind that if they could switch positions they would. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #22

We should let them. We have a country to rebuild and reeducate. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #23

There is something to be said for that, but be careful what you wish for. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #24

The world is going to be dominated by China if we remain in the Middle East, not if we vacate it. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #27

Timing is everything, we must accelerate renewable energy sources and wean ourselves Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #29

And, realistically, when will we be off oil? Manhattan Project? Fuck that. merrily Sep 2014 #40

They spent a lot of money and brainpower on the Manhattan Project "that was the point," I also Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #47

Planet of the Apes. merrily Sep 2014 #45

Then, we should stop borrowing from China to pay for wars. merrily Sep 2014 #42

I agree with that. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #49

Point by point... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #32

Good job. Strong arguments can be made on both side of any war issue. merrily Sep 2014 #43

Point by point... Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #44

More... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #56

There is more. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #65

"I believe President Obama is pursuing the best course of action in a bad situation." merrily Sep 2014 #39

Do you mean about any issue? Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #46

Fair enough, Uncle Joe. Get some sleep. merrily Sep 2014 #50

Gives us a better excuse to steal their resources later, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #51

With my belief of the probabilities, cynicism is a luxury that I can't afford, see my post #16. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #53

We were told years ago that we couldn't leave Iraq because it would fall apart and there would be Chathamization Sep 2014 #52

McCain and the others won't rest until.... rgbecker Sep 2014 #54

If we do that, and I believe we should, MineralMan Sep 2014 #58

Recommend....Whole thread & Comments are Good Read/Discussion. KoKo Sep 2014 #59

The Kurds can hold their own. Iran would help out the shiite regions. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #61

No not really at all what would happen AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #62

Regarding Point #1 Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #67

Yes, we created a huge power vacuum when we executed Saddam. Rex Sep 2014 #64

Not to mention disbanding the Iraqi Army when Cheney/Bush were in power. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #66