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In reply to the discussion: So if we pulled out of the Middle East, what would the probabilities be? [View all]Uncle Joe
(65,226 posts)16. I wasn't thinking of the 1960s so much as the 1910s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
World War I (WWI or WW1 or World War One), also known as the First World War or the Great War, was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918. More than 9 million combatants and 7 million civilians died as a result of the war, a casualty rate exacerbated by the belligerents' technological and industrial sophistication, and tactical stalemate. It was one of the deadliest conflicts in history, paving the way for major political changes, including revolutions in many of the nations involved.[5]
The war drew in all the world's economic great powers,[6] which were assembled in two opposing alliances: the Allies (based on the Triple Entente of the United Kingdom, France and the Russian Empire) and the Central Powers of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Although Italy had also been a member of the Triple Alliance alongside Germany and Austria-Hungary, it did not join the Central Powers, as Austria-Hungary had taken the offensive against the terms of the alliance.[7] These alliances were reorganised and expanded as more nations entered the war: Italy, Japan and the United States joined the Allies, and the Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria the Central Powers. Ultimately, more than 70 million military personnel, including 60 million Europeans, were mobilised in one of the largest wars in history.[8][9]
The immediate trigger for war was the 28 June 1914 assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir to the throne of Austria-Hungary, by Yugoslav nationalist Gavrilo Princip in Sarajevo. This set off a diplomatic crisis when Austria-Hungary delivered an ultimatum to the Kingdom of Serbia,[10][11] and international alliances formed over the previous decades were invoked. Within weeks, the major powers were at war and the conflict soon spread around the world.
On 28 July, the Austro-Hungarians fired the first shots in preparation for the invasion of Serbia.[12][13] As Russia mobilised, Germany invaded neutral Belgium and Luxembourg before moving towards France, leading Britain to declare war on Germany. After the German march on Paris was halted, what became known as the Western Front settled into a battle of attrition, with a trench line that would change little until 1917. Meanwhile, on the Eastern Front, the Russian army was successful against the Austro-Hungarians, but was stopped in its invasion of East Prussia by the Germans. In November 1914, the Ottoman Empire joined the war, opening fronts in the Caucasus, Mesopotamia and the Sinai. Italy and Bulgaria went to war in 1915, Romania in 1916, and the United States in 1917.
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So if we pulled out of the Middle East, what would the probabilities be? [View all]
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
OP
That takes me back to my OP if we pulled out it would become even more difficult to
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#7
Please explain the antecedent to "They" in the sentence, "They would just pull the plug on ISIS"?
JDPriestly
Sep 2014
#6
The extremists the MIC is funding and supporting would suddenly disappear and...
951-Riverside
Sep 2014
#9
Many make huge profits from war and destruction, policy making and rebuilding. It's often hard to
RKP5637
Sep 2014
#28
Help them how? Like we helped the Iraqis free themselves of Saddam's brutality?
merrily
Sep 2014
#33
Not continue to bomb Iraqis. Honestly, did everyone here oppose pulling out in 2007? The neocons
Chathamization
Sep 2014
#48
It's a rut! Given our track record, and the current direction, we will be there for decades.
RKP5637
Sep 2014
#55
Yeah, we used to say that if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Now folks say, "if you don't
Chathamization
Sep 2014
#60
I've often wondered that ... a radical change! Years ago as a student I worked for a
RKP5637
Sep 2014
#31
The difficulty is we have a government infilitrated by the MIC, much as Eisenhower warned. That, is
RKP5637
Sep 2014
#35
The world is going to be dominated by China if we remain in the Middle East, not if we vacate it.
FlatStanley
Sep 2014
#27
Timing is everything, we must accelerate renewable energy sources and wean ourselves
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#29
They spent a lot of money and brainpower on the Manhattan Project "that was the point," I also
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#47
"I believe President Obama is pursuing the best course of action in a bad situation."
merrily
Sep 2014
#39
With my belief of the probabilities, cynicism is a luxury that I can't afford, see my post #16. n/t
Uncle Joe
Sep 2014
#53
We were told years ago that we couldn't leave Iraq because it would fall apart and there would be
Chathamization
Sep 2014
#52