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(114,904 posts) Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:00 AM Sep 2014

Corporal punishment as discipline is not only ineffective, it's damaging. [View all]

That makes intuitive sense. The first obvious lesson is "might makes right". You can get a desired result/behavior by physical intimidation. And being struck is inherently humiliating; it's an insult to the body, mind and spirit. Clearly, there's a difference between a swat on the behind to get a child's attention and whipping a kid with a switch, belt, slipper, wooden spoon, etc or putting him/her over your knee and spanking with your hand. And the bare butt spanking/paddling thing? sick.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx

http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/Physical_Punishment_105.aspx

http://www.nospank.net/gershoff.pdf

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/04/study-parents-hit-children-for-trivial-reasons.html/

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Corporal punishment as discipline is not only ineffective, it's damaging. [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

I can only agree. And due to my work, I've seen 2 cases where the child was beaten to death. Shrike47 Sep 2014 #1

I hope the parents who beat their children to death received consequences for having done so. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #107

I remember reading an article years ago that came to the conclusion about... sakabatou Sep 2014 #2

Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #3

Yes, studies have been concluding this for decades. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #4

I got to stand in the corner... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #137

LOL. Yes, but according to my son, not having his iPhone is WAY worse than a time out. nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #139

Maybe now... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #141

My parents were ahead of their time. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #5

He was right. cali Sep 2014 #7

Yes, and that always dismay me. deafskeptic Sep 2014 #47

I said I did not agree with corporeal punishment, and that maybe parenting and anger classes would Pisces Sep 2014 #135

I would add verbal abuse to that. Cleita Sep 2014 #6

Yes. thanks for that important reminder, Cleita. cali Sep 2014 #8

Yes, that too. It's even more destructive than spanking! n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #49

Right on! Verbal abuse (the memory of it) can even cause anxiety in later life. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #109

Absolutely! laundry_queen Sep 2014 #145

So sorry. I hope this is all water under the bridge for you now even Cleita Sep 2014 #147

I have the same problem as well. deafskeptic Sep 2014 #148

I was horrified, while living in Orange Park, FL Strat54 Sep 2014 #9

There is a whole 'Christian' Spare the Rod movement JCMach1 Sep 2014 #13

Jerry Prevo, of our horrible mega church Anchorage Baptist Temple, Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #28

Except shepards don't beat their sheep. This is cultural ignorance Pathwalker Sep 2014 #33

That makes sense. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #36

Another misconception is "The eye of the needle" as in Pathwalker Sep 2014 #39

Well, yes, because then NO rich person could get to heaven, Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #40

My point is that so many of the things people think is true, Pathwalker Sep 2014 #46

I totally agree. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #50

And for a lot of them, Leviticus is heavily annotated and has asterisks Jamastiene Sep 2014 #56

That's fascinating. treestar Sep 2014 #114

Not surprising BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #116

I suspect it is a xtian movement doing it. edgineered Sep 2014 #125

Undoubtedly BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #126

"And what kind of religion encourages that??" awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #138

it screams to a child- nobody care about you. nobody care how you feel. mopinko Sep 2014 #10

I found this blog post, and it ties in with what you're saying Scootaloo Sep 2014 #31

yup. mopinko Sep 2014 #35

This is a painfully true and important point Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #53

That's one opinion AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #11

No. It's decidedly NOT one opinion. read the links. It's the consensus of cali Sep 2014 #12

Great AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #14

still wrong. Not some. The vast majority of experts. cali Sep 2014 #16

Well then I see AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #25

Actually, people like us (society) do tell you that you can't beat your kids. Thankfully. morningfog Sep 2014 #58

I don't beat them AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #61

It is battery. morningfog Sep 2014 #62

"a swat on the ass is not beating them" phil89 Sep 2014 #143

What's the line between child abuse and corporal punishment? Brickbat Sep 2014 #32

You tell me AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #41

I asked because you seem to know. Brickbat Sep 2014 #146

That line is already crossed the moment they apply physical force to the child. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #34

Writing a hot check to the police AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #45

This explains so much of your twisted world view. I appreciate your honesty. morningfog Sep 2014 #59

Hahahaha AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #63

I'm fine with that. I don't support physical abuse of anyone, especially not children. morningfog Sep 2014 #65

12 AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #68

I feel sorry for all four generations. The cycle of violence and abuse perpetuates. morningfog Sep 2014 #70

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #73

You took delight in it, huh? morningfog Sep 2014 #77

Where on earth did I say that AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #80

You suggested true happiness depends on beating your kids. morningfog Sep 2014 #82

Dude, what the hell? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #101

I have to agree with you etherealtruth Sep 2014 #120

I don't believe you treestar Sep 2014 #118

Well... BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #122

This is one of the sickest posts I've ever read on DU kwassa Sep 2014 #93

I'm saving that post for posterity. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #105

He's finally being honest. morningfog Sep 2014 #112

So according to you beatings that effected you intaglio Sep 2014 #66

I was not abused AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #72

Sorry but it was abuse - gross physical abuse intaglio Sep 2014 #78

I disagree AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #83

yeah BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #110

So now you claim to have gone to Iraq treestar Sep 2014 #119

So it had no effect then? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #92

hitting a kid across the face is abusive and plain wrong cali Sep 2014 #100

If it worked so great, then why did you keep getting into so much trouble? n/t Jamastiene Sep 2014 #140

There is no line. All battery is abuse. If you hit your kids, you abused them. morningfog Sep 2014 #57

Thank god AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #64

You are the embarassment. Welcome to the 21st century. You are in the minority morningfog Sep 2014 #67

Shame on you AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #74

If you feel you have to hit your kid, you failed as a parent. morningfog Sep 2014 #76

I don't feel that way AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #79

Children Who Are Spanked Have Lower IQs, New Research Finds morningfog Sep 2014 #81

Didn't stop me from AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #86

Cool story. morningfog Sep 2014 #87

Anecdote =/= data BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #96

Unfortunately you live in our world intaglio Sep 2014 #71

I see it differently AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #75

But you think you can control children through physical battery. Big man. morningfog Sep 2014 #84

Actually my wife is AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #88

You mean you are against hitting adults? I guess it's tougher to hit people your own size. morningfog Sep 2014 #89

Unfortunately for your children (and grandchildren?!) intaglio Sep 2014 #91

He's stuck in a cycle of violence. morningfog Sep 2014 #85

"True Happiness" BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #113

Call it a drive by. Feral Child Sep 2014 #121

You beat your kids? morningfog Sep 2014 #55

Positive reinforcement works wonders Tribalceltic Sep 2014 #15

Except when it does... Oktober Sep 2014 #19

Which is never Tribalceltic Sep 2014 #26

Neat... Oktober Sep 2014 #27

This is just like climate change denial. Strat54 Sep 2014 #38

I think you've obviously misunderstood.... Oktober Sep 2014 #42

. Iggo Sep 2014 #54

You have? is this as a professional or as an amateur? intaglio Sep 2014 #97

yeah? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #123

I don't think anyone was talking about 'True Happiness' � � Oktober Sep 2014 #124

Clearly, there's a difference.... PosterChild Sep 2014 #17

I don't think that a swat on the behind to get a child's attention is punishment cali Sep 2014 #21

Sure there is a difference... PosterChild Sep 2014 #29

the issue arose out of the Adrian Peterson business and my observation of the number of people cali Sep 2014 #30

Refering back to one of the links in the OP ... PosterChild Sep 2014 #43

I'm against it. I didn't use it, but that doesn't mean I can't see the difference between cali Sep 2014 #48

A swat is battery. morningfog Sep 2014 #69

In no jurisdiction in this country is a swat on the rear end of a child by a parent considered cali Sep 2014 #90

It is though. If you did it to an adult, it is battery. morningfog Sep 2014 #95

no, it not always abuse. yes there is a need to make a distinction cali Sep 2014 #103

Yes, and I would never ever dream of swatting, hitting, striking them. morningfog Sep 2014 #111

seems like the Delaware law is a bit fuzzy: cali Sep 2014 #132

Feel free to parent how you please... Oktober Sep 2014 #18

Except it really is our problem too. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #22

+1 cali Sep 2014 #24

+1000. Some people have a fucked-up idea of proper parenting. kwassa Sep 2014 #98

I'm not forcing my philosophy on anyone, but I have every right to express my opinion. cali Sep 2014 #23

force people to treat other people decently you mean? mopinko Sep 2014 #37

What does that even mean? Oktober Sep 2014 #44

It means you treat your children with respect, and love. kwassa Sep 2014 #99

Absolutely.... Oktober Sep 2014 #108

Beating a child is neither respect or love. kwassa Sep 2014 #127

No one reasonable is talking about beating children... Oktober Sep 2014 #128

and what makes you think your position is reasonable? kwassa Sep 2014 #133

Untold generations of fully functional adults? Oktober Sep 2014 #134

What is your position anyways, on the question of hitting your child? kwassa Sep 2014 #136

It's well laid out in a myriad of other posts... Oktober Sep 2014 #142

if you dont know, i doubt i can explain. mopinko Sep 2014 #106

Here's a hint. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #129

Kids who beat their elderly parents... Oktober Sep 2014 #131

I don't know. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #20

Spare the rod is THE rule down here in the Bible Belt. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #51

Please read post #33. They are ignorant they way they use that Pathwalker Sep 2014 #52

Of course, it is. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #60

If you're using a book of abuse, slavery and misogyny phil89 Sep 2014 #144

Love these threads BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #94

It is very revealing, isn't it? kwassa Sep 2014 #102

I don't love these threads. they make me a bit heartsick. cali Sep 2014 #104

I have 5 beautiful children that have never been in any kind of trouble, newcriminal Sep 2014 #115

Unfortunate BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #117

Agreed. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #130