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Savannahmann

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39. Um. Yes, he did.

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:37 AM

Sep 2014

Here's another speech in which President Obama said he saved Detroit.

You know the campaign ads pretty well, but there is more than campaign ads to the story. Because President Obama was talking about saving American Car Companies like Ford, GM, and Chrysler. They are not a city, they are companies. But he used the common term Detroit to describe the auto industry. I'm surprised that a certain poster isn't here to object that the President wasn't accurate in his choice of words, semantics matter after all, and take exception to the President's own words.

Deplorable? Inaccurate? Strong words that pretty much don't fit no matter how you look at the issue, but that's just my opinion, yours can and obviously does vary.

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Re Michael Moore: "Liberals turn on one of their own" [View all] gollygee Sep 2014 OP

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #1

Nothing to do with M. Moore, but Obama called himself a New Democrat. merrily Sep 2014 #2

President Obama : "I would be considered a moderate Republican" bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #8

Yep, that too. That is totally consistent with being a New Democrat. merrily Sep 2014 #9

I've noticed that, too. Marr Sep 2014 #91

It's inaccurate and a barrier to communication. But, if you want to add ridiculous, who am I merrily Sep 2014 #95

I've said this a few times gollygee Sep 2014 #65

The country as a whole has been misdirected by those in both the Democratic merrily Sep 2014 #93

Obama isn't a liberal. woo me with science Sep 2014 #3

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Sep 2014 #33

^^^^This^^^ +1000 2banon Sep 2014 #46

He is not all that liberal gollygee Sep 2014 #64

What's your definition of "liberal" YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #72

Hint: NOT someone who, in the 1980s, would have been considered a moderate Republican. merrily Sep 2014 #94

Liberal is actually a very broad term YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #99

You're the one asked for a definition. merrily Sep 2014 #100

Obama, like Hillary is a corporatist tiredtoo Sep 2014 #4

+infinity. Nt newfie11 Sep 2014 #19

I think Moore did say some of the things you say "if he had said" about muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #5

I watched it, and it's deplorable. Also inaccurate. ucrdem Sep 2014 #6

Moore is saying that a president shouldn't leave the welfare of US cities to their mayors muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #7

We both know he didn't say anything close to that. ucrdem Sep 2014 #11

You brought up the mayor; don't blame me for your red herring muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #13

US presidents do not run US cities. Mayors or city managers do. You're welcome. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #15

As I said, that's a very libertarian thing to say muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #16

Conyers is a US Rep. The city of Detroit is in his district. He is elected to represent it. ucrdem Sep 2014 #18

And I'm not even American. I'm not saying it's your *job* to stand up for Detroit muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #21

Well now you know a little more about US civics. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #23

Obama has committed hundreds of millions to Detroit... OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #34

Then that's what Moore should be criticised about muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #38

Yes and no. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #40

Moore made it about race -- he made Obama's presidency ALL about race. ucrdem Sep 2014 #41

Yes he did. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #49

Moore never said Obama ran Detroit, though. Neither did Muriel V. merrily Sep 2014 #20

Neither did I. I said Moore blames Obama for the shut-off notices. ucrdem Sep 2014 #22

Your reply 6: merrily Sep 2014 #25

Which is factually correct. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #26

Yes, but a straw man and the first mention on this thread of Obama being or not being the Mayor merrily Sep 2014 #27

The thread is about Moore's ill-informed remarks. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #45

Yes. And your point is? merrily Sep 2014 #47

I've made and supported my points already. Sorry if you feel otherwise. nt ucrdem Sep 2014 #48

The point of your Reply 45 to me is neither evident nor made and that is the only one I asked about. merrily Sep 2014 #50

Um. Yes, he did. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #39

"We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt" is a reference to Romney's remark. ucrdem Sep 2014 #44

No, Moore is talking about the city of Detroit. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #51

Thank you. Obama is the first African American President (openly, anyway). merrily Sep 2014 #17

Because Moore's claim is that Obama's actions as president won't be memorable muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #28

Thanks to you, I read Moore's actual claims. merrily Sep 2014 #32

I specifically say gollygee Sep 2014 #62

My point is that "he was the first black president" is praise, not criticism muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #88

I don't understand how you see that as praise gollygee Sep 2014 #89

Probaby because it's not Number23 Sep 2014 #96

And what will be said of Michael Moore.... Historic NY Sep 2014 #10

Moore is worth about $50 million. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #24

Yep he is worth that ...while releasing his films for free to the public. L0oniX Sep 2014 #35

Thanks for the non sequitor. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #37

Faulting Moore for not pouring $50 million of his own money into Detroit is silly merrily Sep 2014 #98

His movies had impact. You don't have to trash him because he trashed Obama. merrily Sep 2014 #29

It really is very petulant, isn't it? QC Sep 2014 #55

I think there is some RW-type behavior. merrily Sep 2014 #61

assuming intentions gollygee Sep 2014 #66

Who assumed your intentions? I did not say that this thread was an example of right wing behavior. merrily Sep 2014 #68

Sorry for assuming intentions gollygee Sep 2014 #71

No worries. Easy to do. merrily Sep 2014 #76

You know what I think has happened? QC Sep 2014 #69

I was not really following politics closely until the Bush years. merrily Sep 2014 #70

I don't remember there being quite as much team spirit about Clinton. QC Sep 2014 #78

Two other factors that differed: a viable 3rd party candidate, and no widepread internet use. arcane1 Sep 2014 #86

"...Obama, who yes is a liberal..." 99Forever Sep 2014 #12

Trash away gollygee Sep 2014 #59

Liberals my granny malaise Sep 2014 #14

Partisan party patrons prefer proper protocol. ..nt TeeYiYi Sep 2014 #42

Hehehehehhee malaise Sep 2014 #43

They're not liberals, for the most part. QC Sep 2014 #30

You're mischaracterizing the people involved gollygee Sep 2014 #58

I lulz'd KG Sep 2014 #31

Moore's remark wasn't racist. You are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to portray it as such Vattel Sep 2014 #36

It feeds into our society's racism gollygee Sep 2014 #57

okay Vattel Sep 2014 #87

Michael has always been an unabashed Liberal Joe Turner Sep 2014 #52

It isn't about partisanship gollygee Sep 2014 #56

and there's the glitch in your "theory of mind": Moore's attacked for not being behind Obama 100% MisterP Sep 2014 #53

No gollygee Sep 2014 #54

yes MisterP Sep 2014 #60

I have not heard the BOG expect 100% loyalty gollygee Sep 2014 #63

The ban list says otherwise. Rex Sep 2014 #85

Wow. Very perceptive post. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #79

Those that pounce on MM for any given thing are far from liberals. Rex Sep 2014 #67

You assume that anyone who is not happy with the racial nature of his criticism gollygee Sep 2014 #73

No I mean here on DU...and yeah I watch them make fat jokes non stop about him. Rex Sep 2014 #74

I don't like the fat jokes gollygee Sep 2014 #75

That was my point and not a bad one really. Rex Sep 2014 #77

I've seen a few. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #80

Yeah that was a dumb thing to say, if you cannot say anything nice... Rex Sep 2014 #81

Michael Moore supported Ralph Nader for President in 2000. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #82

Believe it or not, not everyone here is a Democrat. Rex Sep 2014 #83

Yes it is reasonable. Thanks. elleng Sep 2014 #84

yes that is frequent treestar Sep 2014 #90

He's a blowhard trying to hold on to some small bit of fame. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #92

I don't call them liberals Skittles Sep 2014 #97

Cuz if they turned a critical eye on MM, they'd have to do some introspection, and that's scary. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #101