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Showing Original Post only (View all)Did US policy on kidnappings create the pretense for war? [View all]
The day after Obama's prime time statement on going (not going) to war in the Middle East, here's what I said on Facebook...
"I'm absolutely torn about this. (it) puts us on the side of Syria's leaders which a year ago we were wanting to bomb. seems to me there's no good partners in the region and we risk making a bad situation worse. on the other hand I want revenge for the beheadings of the journos
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But two new pieces of information have me reconsidering this morning after "what the hell let's go to war" feeling. One is that we now know that Foley's family was threatened by US military representatives not to pay ransom.
And the other is that European journalists have been rescued by ransom in amounts ranging from 1-5 million. Spain and Germany paid to avoid television beheadings of THEIR people, but we'll gladly embark on an open-ended military campaign costing trillions on the pretense that if we don't they'll behead more Americans. Why is that?
Something we've known for a long time is that we allow corporations to spring American executives kidnapped in the Middle East as well as Africa and Central and South America. It's done secretly and there's even insurance for it called K & R -- K & R is actually a thing, and not just on DU. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnap_and_ransom_insurance
Young freelancers aren't likely to be paid fairly, much less have K & R policies.
But this isn't the only problem facing families of kidnapped American journalists. The US and Britain are out of step with European countries who do rescue their journalists. According to this article by Steve Coll in the New Yorker, negotiating consultants believe it's imperative to move ideological kidnappings to being economically motivated b/c that's how you take the political gain off the table for the kidnappers.
It makes me wonder, was our policy on kidnappings to blame for creating the pretense for war?
I'll leave you with David Rohde, an investigative reporter for Reuters and contributing editor for The Atlantic who back in 2008 was captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan, and held for more than seven months before escaping.
In a piece that ran on August 20 on Reuters, Rohde asks:
Did Americas policy on ransom contribute to James Foleys killing?
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2014/08/20/did-american-policy-help-kill-james-foley/
...Foleys execution is also a chilling wake-up call for American and European policymakers, as well as U.S. news outlets and aid organizations. It is the clearest evidence yet of how vastly different responses to kidnappings by U.S. and European governments save European hostages but can doom the Americans. Hostages and their families realize this fully even if the public does not.
I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again, but that ship has sailed, Foley said moments before he was killed in a craven video released by the militant group on Tuesday. I guess, all in all, I wish I wasnt American. Foley clearly spoke under duress. But his regret at being an American captive, real or not, reflected grim fact.
This spring, four French and two Spanish journalists held hostage by the Islamic State extremists were freed after the French and Spanish governments paid ransoms through intermediaries. The U.S. government refused to negotiate or pay a ransom in Foleys case or for any other American captives including my own abduction by the Taliban five years ago.
(snip)
Foley believed that his government would help him, according to his family. In a message that was not made public, Foley said that he believed so strongly that Washington would help that he refused to allow his fellow American captives to not believe in their government.
A consistent response to kidnapping by the U.S. and Europe is desperately needed. The current haphazard approach is failing.
James Foley must not die in vain.
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We're not, though. When ISIS overran Mosul and threatened Baghdad, we moved an
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#4
yes, it's so easy to get swept up in the desire for vengeance -- it's almost too easy
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#6
One of the special forces took a bullet, in fact, trying to save Foley and Sotloff.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#18
and when that didn't work, they could have deescalated by letting the family negotiate
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#42
our closest ME "partners" have funded ISIS: Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#63
Honestly, I think it depends on what group of kidnappers you're dealing with.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#2
Well sure, I consider myself a cynic and a realist, and it's not hard to see that
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#16
precisely, and their beheadings worked to reinforce the military response.
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#22
But I don't think anyone intended that. I think the administration and the Pentagon
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#26
senior security officials threatened the Foley family to not rescue him by ransom...
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#31
I will guarantee that the Foley family doesn't fully know the whole picture
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#34
they certainly know who threatened them if they tried to rescue their son
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#93
Sorry, but I don't believe they were "threatened" except in their own perception.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#95
They didn't, to my knowledge, get a ransom. They waited FIVE YEARS to get
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#25
Not to the US government, it's not. Military get treated differently than civilians, and that
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#37
victim blaming much? Sotloff and Foley "put themselves in their situations voluntarily"
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#60
That's an undisputed fact. There were strict travel warnings in place.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#61
Um, that's what the Taliban are trying to do, when they're not trying to kill them.
geek tragedy
Sep 2014
#38
With a group like ISIS or AQ, it's pretty fucking hard to see how they're
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#30
I think the Taliban is, for practical purposes, considered differently than AQ.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#55
Different situations--BTW, there's some dispute on whether the Taliban
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#14
this is about bad military POLICY putting our political actors in bad positions
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#47
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait are giving ISIS $$ and weapons -- a focus on the big stuff will
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#65
Um, I think we did, a while back. There has been LOTS of wrestling and backroom
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#80
I don't know that they currently are. They WERE, but now that they've built a monster
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#78
You need to take the family's comments with some skepticism. Not because
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#75
Because servicemembers in combat zones are a different category than civilians.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#83
thanks for posting this. shows the level of rhetoric we're dealing with.
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#49
it's naive to think that the military, the executive branch and every State Dept
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#56
right and it's the ambiguity in the policy vis a vis the international scene that gives cover
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#91
No one in a Democracy wants a war. Especially seeing who dies and who pays and who benefits.
Octafish
Sep 2014
#92
so true. and this is so irrational. not that any of the others weren't either.
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#96
"No one in a Democracy wants a war." < Except for everyone who makes money from it. n/t
jtuck004
Sep 2014
#97
What kind of brain-dead morality can only conceive of one bad guy at a time?
True Blue Door
Sep 2014
#69
Anything as a pretext. What have you got today? eventually a plane witll crash, then we can invade
grahamhgreen
Sep 2014
#85
as i was writing this i wondered if i was making too much of the beheading pretext
nashville_brook
Sep 2014
#86
It's disturbing to me that the people who kidnapped Sotloff are the ones we'll be funding....
grahamhgreen
Sep 2014
#94
We do not know that that's true. This is the family's "sources", nothing of this has been confirmed
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#99