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Strat54

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38. This is just like climate change denial.

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:25 PM

Sep 2014

Decades of studies. Stacks of research. Reproducible empirical experiments with both humans and animals. Entire branches of science dedicated to the FACT that positive reinforcement is the only way to encourage a desired behavior and negative punishment has very little predictable desired effect on extinguishing undesired behaviors.

The science is clear!

So when your child talks back and digs his/her heals in, do you just haul off and crack them a good one? That'll teach them who's boss.

Even industrial psychologists know that the way to extinguish undesired behavior is to determine the reward that the person perceives for that behavior and remove the reward while rewarding the desired behavior.

The question is, what is it about hitting your child that is a reward to you, you sick motherfucker.

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Corporal punishment as discipline is not only ineffective, it's damaging. [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

I can only agree. And due to my work, I've seen 2 cases where the child was beaten to death. Shrike47 Sep 2014 #1

I hope the parents who beat their children to death received consequences for having done so. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #107

I remember reading an article years ago that came to the conclusion about... sakabatou Sep 2014 #2

Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #3

Yes, studies have been concluding this for decades. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #4

I got to stand in the corner... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #137

LOL. Yes, but according to my son, not having his iPhone is WAY worse than a time out. nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #139

Maybe now... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #141

My parents were ahead of their time. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #5

He was right. cali Sep 2014 #7

Yes, and that always dismay me. deafskeptic Sep 2014 #47

I said I did not agree with corporeal punishment, and that maybe parenting and anger classes would Pisces Sep 2014 #135

I would add verbal abuse to that. Cleita Sep 2014 #6

Yes. thanks for that important reminder, Cleita. cali Sep 2014 #8

Yes, that too. It's even more destructive than spanking! n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #49

Right on! Verbal abuse (the memory of it) can even cause anxiety in later life. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #109

Absolutely! laundry_queen Sep 2014 #145

So sorry. I hope this is all water under the bridge for you now even Cleita Sep 2014 #147

I have the same problem as well. deafskeptic Sep 2014 #148

I was horrified, while living in Orange Park, FL Strat54 Sep 2014 #9

There is a whole 'Christian' Spare the Rod movement JCMach1 Sep 2014 #13

Jerry Prevo, of our horrible mega church Anchorage Baptist Temple, Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #28

Except shepards don't beat their sheep. This is cultural ignorance Pathwalker Sep 2014 #33

That makes sense. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #36

Another misconception is "The eye of the needle" as in Pathwalker Sep 2014 #39

Well, yes, because then NO rich person could get to heaven, Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #40

My point is that so many of the things people think is true, Pathwalker Sep 2014 #46

I totally agree. Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #50

And for a lot of them, Leviticus is heavily annotated and has asterisks Jamastiene Sep 2014 #56

That's fascinating. treestar Sep 2014 #114

Not surprising BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #116

I suspect it is a xtian movement doing it. edgineered Sep 2014 #125

Undoubtedly BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #126

"And what kind of religion encourages that??" awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #138

it screams to a child- nobody care about you. nobody care how you feel. mopinko Sep 2014 #10

I found this blog post, and it ties in with what you're saying Scootaloo Sep 2014 #31

yup. mopinko Sep 2014 #35

This is a painfully true and important point Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #53

That's one opinion AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #11

No. It's decidedly NOT one opinion. read the links. It's the consensus of cali Sep 2014 #12

Great AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #14

still wrong. Not some. The vast majority of experts. cali Sep 2014 #16

Well then I see AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #25

Actually, people like us (society) do tell you that you can't beat your kids. Thankfully. morningfog Sep 2014 #58

I don't beat them AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #61

It is battery. morningfog Sep 2014 #62

"a swat on the ass is not beating them" phil89 Sep 2014 #143

What's the line between child abuse and corporal punishment? Brickbat Sep 2014 #32

You tell me AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #41

I asked because you seem to know. Brickbat Sep 2014 #146

That line is already crossed the moment they apply physical force to the child. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #34

Writing a hot check to the police AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #45

This explains so much of your twisted world view. I appreciate your honesty. morningfog Sep 2014 #59

Hahahaha AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #63

I'm fine with that. I don't support physical abuse of anyone, especially not children. morningfog Sep 2014 #65

12 AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #68

I feel sorry for all four generations. The cycle of violence and abuse perpetuates. morningfog Sep 2014 #70

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #73

You took delight in it, huh? morningfog Sep 2014 #77

Where on earth did I say that AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #80

You suggested true happiness depends on beating your kids. morningfog Sep 2014 #82

Dude, what the hell? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #101

I have to agree with you etherealtruth Sep 2014 #120

I don't believe you treestar Sep 2014 #118

Well... BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #122

This is one of the sickest posts I've ever read on DU kwassa Sep 2014 #93

I'm saving that post for posterity. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #105

He's finally being honest. morningfog Sep 2014 #112

So according to you beatings that effected you intaglio Sep 2014 #66

I was not abused AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #72

Sorry but it was abuse - gross physical abuse intaglio Sep 2014 #78

I disagree AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #83

yeah BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #110

So now you claim to have gone to Iraq treestar Sep 2014 #119

So it had no effect then? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #92

hitting a kid across the face is abusive and plain wrong cali Sep 2014 #100

If it worked so great, then why did you keep getting into so much trouble? n/t Jamastiene Sep 2014 #140

There is no line. All battery is abuse. If you hit your kids, you abused them. morningfog Sep 2014 #57

Thank god AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #64

You are the embarassment. Welcome to the 21st century. You are in the minority morningfog Sep 2014 #67

Shame on you AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #74

If you feel you have to hit your kid, you failed as a parent. morningfog Sep 2014 #76

I don't feel that way AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #79

Children Who Are Spanked Have Lower IQs, New Research Finds morningfog Sep 2014 #81

Didn't stop me from AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #86

Cool story. morningfog Sep 2014 #87

Anecdote =/= data BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #96

Unfortunately you live in our world intaglio Sep 2014 #71

I see it differently AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #75

But you think you can control children through physical battery. Big man. morningfog Sep 2014 #84

Actually my wife is AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #88

You mean you are against hitting adults? I guess it's tougher to hit people your own size. morningfog Sep 2014 #89

Unfortunately for your children (and grandchildren?!) intaglio Sep 2014 #91

He's stuck in a cycle of violence. morningfog Sep 2014 #85

"True Happiness" BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #113

Call it a drive by. Feral Child Sep 2014 #121

You beat your kids? morningfog Sep 2014 #55

Positive reinforcement works wonders Tribalceltic Sep 2014 #15

Except when it does... Oktober Sep 2014 #19

Which is never Tribalceltic Sep 2014 #26

Neat... Oktober Sep 2014 #27

This is just like climate change denial. Strat54 Sep 2014 #38

I think you've obviously misunderstood.... Oktober Sep 2014 #42

. Iggo Sep 2014 #54

You have? is this as a professional or as an amateur? intaglio Sep 2014 #97

yeah? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #123

I don't think anyone was talking about 'True Happiness' � � Oktober Sep 2014 #124

Clearly, there's a difference.... PosterChild Sep 2014 #17

I don't think that a swat on the behind to get a child's attention is punishment cali Sep 2014 #21

Sure there is a difference... PosterChild Sep 2014 #29

the issue arose out of the Adrian Peterson business and my observation of the number of people cali Sep 2014 #30

Refering back to one of the links in the OP ... PosterChild Sep 2014 #43

I'm against it. I didn't use it, but that doesn't mean I can't see the difference between cali Sep 2014 #48

A swat is battery. morningfog Sep 2014 #69

In no jurisdiction in this country is a swat on the rear end of a child by a parent considered cali Sep 2014 #90

It is though. If you did it to an adult, it is battery. morningfog Sep 2014 #95

no, it not always abuse. yes there is a need to make a distinction cali Sep 2014 #103

Yes, and I would never ever dream of swatting, hitting, striking them. morningfog Sep 2014 #111

seems like the Delaware law is a bit fuzzy: cali Sep 2014 #132

Feel free to parent how you please... Oktober Sep 2014 #18

Except it really is our problem too. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #22

+1 cali Sep 2014 #24

+1000. Some people have a fucked-up idea of proper parenting. kwassa Sep 2014 #98

I'm not forcing my philosophy on anyone, but I have every right to express my opinion. cali Sep 2014 #23

force people to treat other people decently you mean? mopinko Sep 2014 #37

What does that even mean? Oktober Sep 2014 #44

It means you treat your children with respect, and love. kwassa Sep 2014 #99

Absolutely.... Oktober Sep 2014 #108

Beating a child is neither respect or love. kwassa Sep 2014 #127

No one reasonable is talking about beating children... Oktober Sep 2014 #128

and what makes you think your position is reasonable? kwassa Sep 2014 #133

Untold generations of fully functional adults? Oktober Sep 2014 #134

What is your position anyways, on the question of hitting your child? kwassa Sep 2014 #136

It's well laid out in a myriad of other posts... Oktober Sep 2014 #142

if you dont know, i doubt i can explain. mopinko Sep 2014 #106

Here's a hint. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #129

Kids who beat their elderly parents... Oktober Sep 2014 #131

I don't know. Savannahmann Sep 2014 #20

Spare the rod is THE rule down here in the Bible Belt. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #51

Please read post #33. They are ignorant they way they use that Pathwalker Sep 2014 #52

Of course, it is. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #60

If you're using a book of abuse, slavery and misogyny phil89 Sep 2014 #144

Love these threads BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #94

It is very revealing, isn't it? kwassa Sep 2014 #102

I don't love these threads. they make me a bit heartsick. cali Sep 2014 #104

I have 5 beautiful children that have never been in any kind of trouble, newcriminal Sep 2014 #115

Unfortunate BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #117

Agreed. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #130