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mindwalker_i

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164. I've been thinking about this...

Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:51 PM

Sep 2014

A while ago, I was in an argument where someone said they didn't appreciate being psychoanalyzed but someone on the Internet who doesn't know them at all. I didn't reply with the obvious, "Yeah, you should find someone better qualified," because I wasn't trying to win, I was trying to understand the person and why they would come up with the argument they did.

What you are doing is the same thing - trying to understand why I'm arguing against Rice just "hating women." So, actually, you're psychoanalyzing me. Now, when I say stuff on the Internet and people read it, I don't really have any claim that they shouldn't try to understand why I'm making my arguments. In fact, I have no problem at all with you psychoanalyzing me.

But you're doing a really bad job of it!

You're analysis - that I have something in my past that's causing me to defend Rice - is based on a persistent and incorrect interpretation of what I've been writing. I'm not defending Rice. You can read my other posts and find that out for yourself. I'm, in fact, psychoanalyzing him! Trying to find the deeper reason why he punched his gal - and yeah, that makes him a total asshole.

so go ahead and psychoanalyze me, but do a better job of it!

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How to know that you hate women [View all] ismnotwasm Sep 2014 OP

K&R - nt Ohio Joe Sep 2014 #1

I Agree Too billhicks76 Sep 2014 #127

could you comment on the actual subject of this article? niyad Sep 2014 #140

I just did. That's my comment billhicks76 Sep 2014 #151

no, you posted about something that is clearly on your agenda, niyad Sep 2014 #158

Thank you. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #2

Yeah, it's like when a cop shoots an unarmed teen and remarks are like, valerief Sep 2014 #3

Indeed. calimary Sep 2014 #120

K and R and fuck yeah. n/t MadrasT Sep 2014 #4

K&R treestar Sep 2014 #5

This article was pointed out to me by a friend ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #6

Yes it is! johnp3907 Sep 2014 #7

�She stayed with him." johnp3907 Sep 2014 #8

+1 raven mad Sep 2014 #29

I didn't post the article. johnp3907 Sep 2014 #33

Well Put ProfessorGAC Sep 2014 #103

Because they know if they elaborate, someone might call them out. merrily Sep 2014 #179

It is a great article, ism. brer cat Sep 2014 #9

Stockholm Syndrome..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #37

Totally... nt TheVisitor Sep 2014 #54

The word "hate" in this case mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #10

Interesting point ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #12

I don't see my point there at all mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #20

I disagree ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #25

I'm not saying hate is a word that should be avoided mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #28

Why? ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #31

I think I've explained that already, but I'll try to add some detail mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #35

If he only shot one woman....would you ask if this was "a regular part of his life"? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #39

Huh? mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #40

it was just pointing out the irony of that statement....please read the new text I added to VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #42

I think bacteria are beneath me mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #64

I agree with you, mindwalker_i SylviaD Sep 2014 #115

Thank you, I appreciate this comment mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #133

"he just doesn't think much of her "- I actually disagree with this point... here's why: Veilex Sep 2014 #119

I can see your point mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #134

"We all need to find better ways of dealing with stuff" - Absolutely!!! Veilex Sep 2014 #138

In other words, football has a violent culture overall, Jamastiene Sep 2014 #121

Very interesting points mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #136

He IS a hater!!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #125

So where did I defend him? mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #137

by saying...."Maybe it wasn't hatred of women" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #149

Uhm, that doesn't show that I defended him mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #150

to someone who HAS walked several miles in the shoes of an abused woman.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #152

You're going to have your opinion regardless mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #154

there IS no other reason...... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #155

That actually is a good point mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #160

No you are WRONG! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #161

It's become very clear that you have a strong desire mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #163

It should have become very clear that I know what I am talking about.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #165

So you just know mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #167

I have them because I was married to a man JUST like this for 16 yrs.....and I VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #168

I've been through some of the same stuff mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #170

I've been thinking about this... mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #164

NOOOOO I am doing a whiz bang job of it..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #166

See my above post on bona fides mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #169

No you accept my answer as ONE who is RECOVERING from PTSD..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #171

One of the posts in another subthread mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #172

funny when therapists tell me much different.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #173

So your argument has changed from mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #175

No that is YOUR interpretation of what I said.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #177

I've explained why a bunch of times mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #178

AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! orleans Sep 2014 #57

Me thinks guilty consciences are at play here.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #126

me thinks what you thinks is quite right n/t orleans Sep 2014 #156

I think we have a bit of disconnect here ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #46

OH he just hated THAT baby is that your contention? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #50

Nope, I agree with you ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #60

I liked your analogy. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #113

It is hate. jen63 Sep 2014 #51

Like I've been pointing out mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #63

No ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #65

No, you're still taking the easy way out mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #66

And you are ignoring a systemic problem of hatred ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #68

Actually, let me change tactics here mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #70

This is a much longer conversation ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #73

What you ar describing or alluding to seems to not be hatred mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #100

"...why it's hatred against women vs. a system that promotes violence." nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #83

Getting the cause correct will determine the action to take mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #98

"you are ignoring a systemic problem of hatred" - I realy dont think Mindwalker is Veilex Sep 2014 #122

Who the fuck cares WHY he hates women? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #128

"Who the fuck cares WHY he hates women" - You should Veilex Sep 2014 #129

I don't give a fuck why my ex husband hates women.....it doesn't matter VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #130

You're thinking rather single-mindedly about this... Veilex Sep 2014 #131

Lots of therapy has helped me to "understand" this.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #132

What you're describing... Refusing to call it "hatred" is the worst kind of hair-splitting IMO. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #78

There isn't a lot anyone can do about someone hating someone else mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #101

We can at least show them that venting that hatred on another human being is totally unacceptable. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #141

Agree completely mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #147

To add to your point... Veilex Sep 2014 #116

If nothing else, how can you know a stranger's psychology well enough to say who he does nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #76

And I can turn that argument right around mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #102

Just putting a point on a "bingo card" doesn't actually address it. [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #36

Meaning? ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #47

It's a common tactic. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #53

I disagree. ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #61

Great. On what grounds? Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #82

I agree mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #67

You realize not only did you segway ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #69

Fair enough mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #71

the guy who knocked his girl out shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #18

I'm not equivicating at all here, nor am I taking a contrary position mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #21

the word "hate" in this case locdlib Sep 2014 #22

'"probably has control issues" is line saying water is wet.' mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #34

it doesn't matter what HE believes..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #44

you've typed a lot of words, but still said nothing. locdlib Sep 2014 #56

Hate must have detail? ReRe Sep 2014 #23

A man should never, ever, hit a woman, but should they all be punished the same? Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #41

By your last sentence, a man COULD hit a woman and be fine. 7962 Sep 2014 #48

OMG....AGAIN with this shit....HOW is it always always always men around to make sure to remind VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #52

Really! My post is on topic, you just don't like what I had to say. My main point is, Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #74

NO it isn't VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #123

I thought it was pretty clear we were talking about beatings, not self-defense. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #85

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #124

Please stop with the hyperbole. It's ridiculous. chrisa Sep 2014 #88

He is trying to defend Male Priviledge! The privilege to STILL believe women are beneath you VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #45

I agree, VR n/t ReRe Sep 2014 #58

There are books about this concept - one with Hate in the Title JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #77

Just off the top of my head... mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #107

You should read the books JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #108

You bring up some really good points mindwalker_i Sep 2014 #110

I've been on the receiving end JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #111

Your posts in this thread are so important BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #146

Thanks so much JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #157

Rationalization is a habit of those who are unaffected BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #162

Hmm, let me think, ummmmmm..............yep, hate is the correct word to describe violent males' Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #118

K&R yuiyoshida Sep 2014 #11

I think some projection ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #27

Excellent piece by a brilliant young man who sees the context. We need leaders like these! freshwest Sep 2014 #13

We certainly do ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #15

Nothing more need be said mcar Sep 2014 #14

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2014 #16

Truth shenmue Sep 2014 #17

By the way, there's lots of other great stuff on that site. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #19

You don't need an Enigma Machine to sniff out the bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #24

There Seems to Be Some Self Loathing Dirty Socialist Sep 2014 #26

K&R ReRe Sep 2014 #30

I hate to say this, you need to cut your thread - it is against DU rules happyslug Sep 2014 #32

Is a quoted sentence a paragraph? ismnotwasm Sep 2014 #62

I asked Skinner a question similar to that once steve2470 Sep 2014 #174

Rice is an animal. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #38

good article - thanks for sharing NewJeffCT Sep 2014 #43

Yes, you have expressed the progressive view. The other way is not progressive. Thanks for clarity. freshwest Sep 2014 #49

Sort of like sexual assault, in a way. People don't want to believe it can happen to them or nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #86

This is epic TheVisitor Sep 2014 #55

^^^ this^^^ BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #59

How to know that you hate women: You are a Bible thumping Republican blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #72

That was a scary video. McCamy Taylor Sep 2014 #75

"He didn't kill her." CTyankee Sep 2014 #79

Fantastic article. Kicking. riqster Sep 2014 #80

even "men shouldn't hit women" is problematic. unblock Sep 2014 #81

That's a good point. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #84

I agree, but hitting a woman is especially vile, as men are physically stronger. chrisa Sep 2014 #89

even there, i would say the emphasis on the gender distinction does more harm than good. unblock Sep 2014 #93

The issue is innate physical differences that are sex-specific. The two cannot be separated. chrisa Sep 2014 #143

sure they can. gender is but one element of physical strength difference. unblock Sep 2014 #145

There are wimpy men, and there are buff women. Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #94

Women on average have 52% the upper body strength of the average man. chrisa Sep 2014 #144

Not terribly relevant in terms of precedent. (nt) Jester Messiah Sep 2014 #148

Then stating "don't hit children" is problematic for you too? LanternWaste Sep 2014 #96

i think "don't hit anyone" covers all the cases. unblock Sep 2014 #105

I wouldn't call it "hate," though labeling it as such isn't necessarily wrong. chrisa Sep 2014 #87

The dynamics of these relationship situations (power, oppression, violence) ... CaptainTruth Sep 2014 #90

If violence against women is intolerable, what does that imply about violence against men? Threedifferentones Sep 2014 #91

I think one part of this is just a little off hughee99 Sep 2014 #92

Well said! REC!!! DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #95

At the risk of getting trashed Stonepounder Sep 2014 #97

Funny Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #99

so you think this kind of violence is funny??? wow. . . . just. . . .wow. niyad Sep 2014 #142

message kept 2-5. alp227 Sep 2014 #153

thank you for showing that. there are days I despair of this site. niyad Sep 2014 #159

yeah i said funny Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #180

denial is not a river in egypt. niyad Sep 2014 #181

SMH Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #182

reading coomprehension is helpful. the OP is not mine, but keep niyad Sep 2014 #183

SMH Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #184

or just really love Male Privilege. whathehell Sep 2014 #104

While at physical therapy yesterday azmom Sep 2014 #106

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #109

DU Rec. (stockholm let me go home ...) Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #112

I learn more and more every day on the DU about this. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #114

Strawman how I love thee! Egnever Sep 2014 #117

Don't hit anyone who isnt hitting you. quakerboy Sep 2014 #135

k and r + several gazillion. niyad Sep 2014 #139

That's quite a lot of ann--- Sep 2014 #176