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ucrdem

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158. Sid you know this is an insulting title. It's also inaccurate.

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:49 AM

Sep 2014

First of all, reducing RFK Jr. to an "Anti-vax asshat" shows a lack of class, as Thimerosal is only one of several environmental issues that he works on. It's also a lousy way to talk about any member of the Kennedy family, particularly on a Democratic message board, whatever your opinion on this particular issue, but I think you probably already know this, and don't need it explained.

Secondly, your title is not accurate. He's not "anti-vax," and if you bothered to read so much as the first sentence of your own excerpt you'd know that. His objections are to the mercury adjuvant used to preserve multiple dose vaccines, not to the vaccines themselves, the safety of which he has not to my knowledge called into question. But I think you knew that too.

Finally, you really should read his article and stop obsessing about RFK Jr. In fact I'd advise anyone interested in the subject to have a look. It's a PDF essay posted on Scribd, so just ignore any subscription offers that pop up, as you can read it for free online or download it for free and read it laterr:

"Tobacco Science and the Thimerosal Scandal" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/209365850/Tobacco-Science-and-the-Thimerosal-Scandal-Robert-F-Kennedy-Jr

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Anti-vax asshat RFK Jr. on Dr. Oz, promoting his anti-vax asshat book... [View all] SidDithers Sep 2014 OP

du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #1

Daughter of PBS journalist Robert MacNeil and mother of a child with autism (can't shut her up/down) proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #69

I would self-delete.... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #82

do you know if this is accurate? Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #90

That is not accurate. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #91

from the link Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #89

You've posted that excerpt twice, do you know if it's accurate? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #98

The article links to this CDC webpage, please read it. It's factual, nothing objectionable there. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #112

Spare me. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #113

A fun site-search is that poster's name and "Wakefield"... SidDithers Sep 2014 #117

You can't be serious. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #120

That's some crazy shit, eh?... SidDithers Sep 2014 #121

So Wakefield is the victim of the story? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #125

Wait awhile and see what happens. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #130

Your continued support of a criminal and his agenda on DU is sickening. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #131

Not up-to-date? No wonder, blame in-the-weeds material plus media's failure to inform the public. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #172

Oh for the love of... NuclearDem Sep 2014 #144

...children. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #181

no, I asked somebody if it were accurate. Heavens to mergatroid on the hyperbole. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #133

Vaccines don't cause autism. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #135

Quote from RFK reviewer: RobertEarl Sep 2014 #161

Fracking is also dangerous to the health of millions. Why won't any of you that rhett o rick Sep 2014 #185

The "RFK Jr can do no wrong" phanbois in 3-2-1... Archae Sep 2014 #2

And they'll claim RFK Jr. is a "great Democrat"!!... SidDithers Sep 2014 #5

What kind of Democrat does that make you, SidDithers of DU? Octafish Sep 2014 #10

Sid's someone who realizes that having full on nuttery The Green Manalishi Sep 2014 #17

Who's the asshole? Octafish Sep 2014 #25

The asshole AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #29

Right. Octafish Sep 2014 #31

That would be completely different assholes. Thor_MN Sep 2014 #34

Wow, you really oversimplified the hell out of that. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #43

You're exposed to far, far more mercury.... paleotn Sep 2014 #51

Chlorine is a seriously poisonous gas. Archae Sep 2014 #73

!!!!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #74

FATALITY NuclearDem Sep 2014 #88

Beware the dihydrogen monoxide, though. awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #124

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #123

Wonder if it was Library Girl... SidDithers Sep 2014 #126

Damn AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #138

Who else? greatauntoftriplets Sep 2014 #165

Depends on the question. I would put people who still press the question of whether vaccines cause LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #152

You know who else "Just asks questions"? cemaphonic Sep 2014 #153

Climate change deniers, Holocaust deniers, Birthers, people who believe ACORN stole the elections... YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #180

Don't bother YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #179

Because Sid, You Have Violated One Of The Unwritten Rules Wolf Frankula Sep 2014 #93

That site has a great review of "Dr" Oz.... xocet Sep 2014 #14

I'd never seen that... SidDithers Sep 2014 #15

No problem. I hadn't seen it either until I followed Archae's link and looked around at some of... xocet Sep 2014 #22

Who ignores the effects of BPA and other cumulative toxins in food and other products? Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #44

Thanks. elleng Sep 2014 #66

Agenda 21? Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #85

Your post is a great way to defeat argument by authority. However, the letter's content is not... xocet Sep 2014 #136

not here to debate your point of view, or defend Dr. Oz, who has always given me the creeps Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #142

Thank you for your kind elaboration. I appreciate your reply. n/t xocet Sep 2014 #150

And right on schedule... NuclearDem Sep 2014 #24

Please keep this asshat away from liberal issues MohRokTah Sep 2014 #3

K&R mcar Sep 2014 #4

unrec. 2banon Sep 2014 #6

This is why the static Oz got from Congress was well deserved. What makes this even more of a white still_one Sep 2014 #7

Absolutely. SoapBox Sep 2014 #12

RFK is not a Democrat onecaliberal Sep 2014 #8

actually the anti-vaxers crosses party lines still_one Sep 2014 #50

Granted... paleotn Sep 2014 #54

I prefer the word ignorant still_one Sep 2014 #62

Willfully ignorant... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #86

That kind of stupidity is bringing back onecaliberal Sep 2014 #107

Your hyperactive autocorrect changed "eradicated" to "irradiated" in tblue37 Sep 2014 #159

If you deny science you are not a democrat. onecaliberal Sep 2014 #106

i wish you were right, but you are wrong. posts on DU have reflected such views still_one Sep 2014 #146

You're entitled to your opinion onecaliberal Sep 2014 #148

You're certainly not a progressive if you outright deny science YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #183

Agree!!! onecaliberal Sep 2014 #184

Please review post 63. Of course, some would rather go blind than see but I hope you're smarter. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #186

I agree that not all Democrats are the same. There are good Democrats and rhett o rick Sep 2014 #92

Mhm. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #95

Yes, I agree to a point. onecaliberal Sep 2014 #108

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2014 #9

Let's see how you respond, Oz, to a few cases of Polio... SoapBox Sep 2014 #11

If There Were A Vaccine For Ebola otohara Sep 2014 #229

his dad would be ashamed of him for this. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #13

I agree... SidDithers Sep 2014 #16

His grandfather would be VERY proud 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #167

based on the science of his time, I'm sure wyldwolf Sep 2014 #168

Scammers, hucksters and delusional "true believers" etherealtruth Sep 2014 #18

I probably know 100 physicians personally, and every single one supports vaccination. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #19

I'm sure thankful that vaccines exist, that's for sure. Because... PatrickforO Sep 2014 #20

Actually, I routinely told my math students chervilant Sep 2014 #35

The following graphic makes clear how current official recommended schedules are varied by country. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #70

Are those mortality rates for all causes, or just infectious diseases? Jim Lane Sep 2014 #84

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #115

Gosh, Croatia is better than us. That makes me feel better! PatrickforO Sep 2014 #116

Great, but which schedule? It's changed a lot, you know. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #128

How about a respectful dialogue about vaccines? ... DesertDiamond Sep 2014 #21

There is a legitimate debate to be had. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #23

You are not up-to-date. In addition to the sources below, look around for audio of #CDCwhistleblower proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #63

Ugh, NTSA. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #81

NTSA? Let me guess from the source/context: "No Telling Stupid Anything?" Well, I disagree. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #102

Actually I think it's 'Not This Shit Again' beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #104

1) #hearthiswell on youtube 2) that Baez song, Diamonds and Rust, 'Then give me another word for it' proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #105

Sharyl Attkisson works for the Heritage Foundation. alp227 Sep 2014 #110

When are you going to stop killing infants? Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #114

Kennedy calls world-leading immunologists "biostitutes", like prostitutes... SidDithers Sep 2014 #27

There is no legitimate debate. Anti-vaxxers are a bigger public safety geek tragedy Sep 2014 #33

It will not happen on this website, I think there are too many insecure people here Tumbulu Sep 2014 #36

No, this is generally a pro-science site. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #55

No, the poster before wanted to talk specifics, not pro or anti vax Tumbulu Sep 2014 #119

Person was/is an obvious anti-vaxxer. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #139

Call it "insecurity" that many here refuse to give a platform .... etherealtruth Sep 2014 #101

See? The same old closed minded reactions Tumbulu Sep 2014 #118

That's what the climate change and Holocaust deniers say when people geek tragedy Sep 2014 #140

No, the issues worth discussing exist Tumbulu Sep 2014 #175

You are joking, right? etherealtruth Sep 2014 #163

No I am not, and this is just the typical thing- lumping not approving of gmo's in Tumbulu Sep 2014 #177

Just FYI: chervilant Sep 2014 #37

So what idiot alerted on this request for a dialog? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #134

I did. Because anti-vax nonsense kills people who believe it geek tragedy Sep 2014 #141

well there, you proved my point Tumbulu Sep 2014 #147

There is nothing to debate geek tragedy Sep 2014 #162

So you admit abusing the alert system to push your point of view. Apparently you don't rhett o rick Sep 2014 #149

I wish that members would refrain from bullshit alerts. blackspade Sep 2014 #143

"but those who believe in vaccines are so terrified" "No arguments are ever won by name-calling." Thor_MN Sep 2014 #38

Respectfully, you are wrong: "There actually are plenty of studies showing that vaccines can be FSogol Sep 2014 #40

You may be correct about many or most anti-vaxxers, but not all are con men or grifters. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #49

Compassion doesn't make junk science geek tragedy Sep 2014 #53

I agree but it's never an effective strategy to attack people in order to change their beliefs. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #57

There is no legitimate anti - vaccination geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

I don't know if there is or isn't. But there are legitimate stories of damaged children; and it's no Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #61

. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #67

How many is plenty? Iggo Sep 2014 #47

please post links to those "plenty of studies" cali Sep 2014 #48

Ironically, its the anti-vaccination movement that refuses to have a real dialogue YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #182

You're more concerned with disproven claims of vaccine danger than REAL diseases that kill Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #200

So disappointing. silverweb Sep 2014 #26

+1...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author silverweb Sep 2014 #30

He is such a sharp guy, it's amazing how DUMB he is on this issue. Quixote1818 Sep 2014 #32

Dr. Oz - more poison that Oprah has unleashed on the world. Initech Sep 2014 #39

Re: "dr" Oz: giving out suspect medical advice should not be allowed on tv NightWatcher Sep 2014 #41

The letter from the FDA to his producers... SidDithers Sep 2014 #42

sid, thanks for being you. mopinko Sep 2014 #45

Thanks, mopinko... SidDithers Sep 2014 #46

Well said. (nt) paleotn Sep 2014 #56

Delete the 'asshat' references elleng Sep 2014 #52

Well, RFK Jr. IS an asshat... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #60

You are asking a lot. It's so much more fun to get out tar and feathers than actually rhett o rick Sep 2014 #122

Considering every single one of your posts in this thread NuclearDem Sep 2014 #145

Look, y'all VA_Jill Sep 2014 #59

Won't happen, DU has niche groups that fight over certain topics...this being one. Rex Sep 2014 #64

Oz testified before Congress that he is a cheerleader geek tragedy Sep 2014 #68

Regardless of an improbable autism connection, thimerosal does not belong in children's vaccines. pnwmom Sep 2014 #65

did your PHD tell you much mercury you inhale living downwind of a coal-fired power plant? hobbit709 Sep 2014 #83

One wrong exposure doesn't excuse more -- especially one that's injected directly into pnwmom Sep 2014 #87

Did he say anything about a nice tuna filet? Separation Sep 2014 #137

Yes. We eat other fish. We skip the tuna. pnwmom Sep 2014 #156

Good idea to remove it... LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #154

We don't eat any tuna around here, which is the fish most likely to have high levels. pnwmom Sep 2014 #155

What an asshat, I guess nobody told him thimerosol was out in 2001 Warpy Sep 2014 #71

Yup. And here's a screencap from the Oz show... SidDithers Sep 2014 #72

I guess no one told you that pregnant women now take flu vaccines with thimerosol, pnwmom Sep 2014 #157

Yes, and he failed to mention barbaraj Sep 2014 #169

I think you put your finger on it. ucrdem Sep 2014 #171

This is good information, barbaraj Sep 2014 #178

Kick and rec! zappaman Sep 2014 #75

Disgusting that this is still debated on DU. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #76

bmus! Good to see you... SidDithers Sep 2014 #77

Hi Sid! beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #78

Not so little anymore. Both in high school... SidDithers Sep 2014 #79

Excellent OP as always, Sid. RFK Jr. is a stain on the progressive cause. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #80

I just got my T-Dapp for free with Obamacare. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #94

I am glad you are so health conscience. How about fracking? Are you as passionate about rhett o rick Sep 2014 #96

You should start a thread about fracking... SidDithers Sep 2014 #97

Don't you agree that fracking is a very serious health concern? Or do you agree with Pres Obama rhett o rick Sep 2014 #103

Yes, fracking and anti vaxxers are the same thing. zappaman Sep 2014 #109

Because if there's one thing we know NuclearDem Sep 2014 #100

Upset someone benefited from Obamacare, Rick? zappaman Sep 2014 #111

That's a shame that he's an antivax person. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #99

Anti-vaxxers should be loudly ridiculed... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #127

Love those grandkiddies to the moon and back... SidDithers Sep 2014 #129

I am almost barbaraj Sep 2014 #132

Thank you barbaraj, and welcome to DU RobertEarl Sep 2014 #160

It's a rough topic barbaraj Sep 2014 #166

Thank you, barbaraj Sep 2014 #170

What happened to that guy???? MADem Sep 2014 #151

I know!... SidDithers Sep 2014 #193

Sid you know this is an insulting title. It's also inaccurate. ucrdem Sep 2014 #158

Some feel better if they find someone to tar and feather and heaven help those that try rhett o rick Sep 2014 #173

Remember Science Diet? ucrdem Sep 2014 #174

It was melamine-tainted gluten from China, unbeknownst to MANY pet food brands eShirl Sep 2014 #189

Right. Scores of pet food makers got it wrong, pets died. It happens. ucrdem Sep 2014 #248

Can't believe he got sucked into all that - TBF Sep 2014 #164

to place too much credence in RFK is to believe in dynasties bobduca Sep 2014 #176

DU rec. joshcryer Sep 2014 #187

Why does Dr. Oz still have a medical license? eShirl Sep 2014 #188

Who knows. It's a mystery... SidDithers Sep 2014 #190

just so there is no confusion, i completely support the use of asshat in this context La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #191

Thanks, Lioness!... SidDithers Sep 2014 #192

Kick! zappaman Sep 2014 #194

Thanks for the kick... SidDithers Sep 2014 #195

kick again msanthrope Sep 2014 #196

Thimerosal was removed from all childhood vaccines in 2001 bhikkhu Sep 2014 #197

Familiar w the following? If not, please investigate further including Youtube #hearthiswell (~340?) proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #198

Then removal of thimerosal from children's vaccines 13 years ago should have affected autism rates bhikkhu Sep 2014 #199

It's crushing how misleading a single sentence can be, not to mention paragraphs. proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #201

I should say, I was briefly on the anti-thimerosal bandwagon bhikkhu Sep 2014 #204

I cannot imagine disregarding the informed& unequivocal views of CDC scientist Dr William W Thompson proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #205

I cannot imagine ignoring all the science leading away from the thimerosal/autism theory bhikkhu Sep 2014 #206

CORRECTION: 'Dr. William Thompson, a senior CDC researcher' 'senior scientist Dr. William Thompson' proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Sep 2014 #214

Ageofautism... SidDithers Sep 2014 #203

Extra butter on mine, please. KamaAina Sep 2014 #202

I wonder if he'd recommend "no" to an ebola vaccine to those in Liberia? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2014 #208

Good question...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #250

Does smearing a good Democrat really have anything to do with autism? Octafish Sep 2014 #209

What do the assassinations of RFK and JFK have to do... SidDithers Sep 2014 #210

It has to do with character assassination. Octafish Sep 2014 #211

... SidDithers Sep 2014 #212

You better believe it! n/t zappaman Sep 2014 #213

Tag Team is so second banana, Dude. Octafish Sep 2014 #216

Love ya, buddy! zappaman Sep 2014 #217

Hope for change. Octafish Sep 2014 #218

I agree with you that RFK Jr is quite the asshat zappaman Sep 2014 #219

What's it called when you put words in somebody else's mouth? Octafish Sep 2014 #220

Kick. n/t zappaman Sep 2014 #221

Good. Octafish Sep 2014 #223

I join you again in the kick! zappaman Sep 2014 #224

Years of your life. Octafish Sep 2014 #225

Coincidence? I think not! zappaman Sep 2014 #230

Why do you devote years of your life minding what I write? Octafish Sep 2014 #231

Why do you devote years of your life minding what I write? zappaman Sep 2014 #232

Do you suffer from echolalia? Octafish Sep 2014 #235

Really? zappaman Sep 2014 #236

Gosh. I guess that makes the rest of your posts really something. Octafish Sep 2014 #237

I love that meme! zappaman Sep 2014 #238

Odd you should mention the BFEE. Octafish Sep 2014 #239

Yeah. zappaman Sep 2014 #240

There aren't enough smilies to cover up how un-democratic character assassination is. Octafish Sep 2014 #215

Sure is. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #241

Show where. Octafish Sep 2014 #242

If I posted every single time you tried suggesting a DUer was a paid operative NuclearDem Sep 2014 #243

It's one of his signature moves zappaman Sep 2014 #244

Years of your life. Octafish Sep 2014 #245

Found a hair in my soup the other day. zappaman Sep 2014 #246

But it's what your hero engages in... SidDithers Sep 2014 #247

More asshattery here... zappaman Sep 2014 #222

Glad I'm catching up on OUTLANDER instead!!!!!! MADem Sep 2014 #226

RFK, Jr. has been a champion for the environment and other liberal causes. 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #227

When it comes to vaccines he's an asshat. tammywammy Sep 2014 #228

Funny how the posters who cry "hero worship" anytime anything positive is said about Obama zappaman Sep 2014 #233

Honest question: have you read the first page of his 2005 article? ucrdem Sep 2014 #249

+1 pnwmom Sep 2014 #234

I still admire RFK, Jr., but on this one issue, we part ways. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2014 #251