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2banon

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164. You've rendered the term Racism effectively meaningless

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 12:15 PM

Sep 2014

If by acknowledging the monumental accomplishment of getting elected as POTUS in the context of our long standing racists socio-political system is itself a racists act, following that logic, choosing him over all the other Dems in the primaries in preference to Obama was a racist act, in that many of us voted for him because we wanted to see an African American in that office at long last.

It might have been naive. It might have been unfair to lay the burden of "hope for change" on his shoulders, but that was why we voted for him regardless of how naive and politically stupid that might have been.

The same logic applies wrt to HRC. I'm not fixated on getting her elected in 2016. But I am dismayed that so many Dems are, and particularly Women who are the making the same type of blind assumptions that we made wrt to Obama. I'm sorry the analogy is lost on you .

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Hmmm? I wonder why people chose to leave off this part of Michael's interview [View all] Luminous Animal Sep 2014 OP

The mass media will edit anything to advance their Foxified agenda opposing Obama...what does Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #1

From my experience, he usually doesn't give a shit. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #2

Are you talking about this mass media? FlatStanley Sep 2014 #39

Well... cyberswede Sep 2014 #50

For Decades liberalmike27 Sep 2014 #65

Did I demonize Michael Moore? cyberswede Sep 2014 #68

I give Moore credit because he at least recognized the folly of voting for Nader. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #84

Well Said! 2banon Sep 2014 #127

I guess what I'm saying is that we can be pretty good at acting like the MSM all by ourselves. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #83

Amen to that! bobGandolf Sep 2014 #101

I think we all know why. neverforget Sep 2014 #3

According to some DU types RobertEarl Sep 2014 #4

The pile up reminds me of mob mentality sunnystarr Sep 2014 #5

Followed by lots of picture threads BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #6

Something bad like scripting a gotcha about not mentioning Syria...? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #7

Yep under the bus RobertEarl Sep 2014 #20

Some DU types rewrite history to protect their idol. OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #61

no, According to some DU types Obama is under the bus because they don't believe Obama has done still_one Sep 2014 #72

Then those types have bought into the mass media and moved into an area of delusion. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #99

Lots of good people are under the bus including the entire left. L0oniX Sep 2014 #103

Tire tracks across my back RobertEarl Sep 2014 #112

To be fair they were very busy Union Scribe Sep 2014 #8

Hehehe. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #10

plus moore referred to Obama as a black president Doctor_J Sep 2014 #12

Because he is a rascist!!!1 newcriminal Sep 2014 #9

But it's perfectly OK for Rahm Emanuel to call many of us here "f-ing retarded"! cascadiance Sep 2014 #125

I'm not ignoring that part... one_voice Sep 2014 #11

Indeed. The Fox News ploy. Don't take a person's comments in their entirety. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #14

I guess I could ask you... one_voice Sep 2014 #28

Yes. Like Fox News. Focusing on one part and ignoring the fact that he also said that Obama has done Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #34

I'm not ignoring your entire statement, but I'm outraged by this part of it: Marr Sep 2014 #81

Getting elected as POTUS isn't a significant accomplishment in your pov? 2banon Sep 2014 #128

It is a significant accomplishment, it is NOT his ONLY accomplishment which is... Spazito Sep 2014 #132

Disagreement on policy accomplishments is a political distinction.. 2banon Sep 2014 #139

Policy differences do not include race.... Spazito Sep 2014 #142

We greatly disagree.. 2banon Sep 2014 #155

Your compulsion to fixate on Hilary Clinton is puzzling given the discussion is about race... Spazito Sep 2014 #157

You've rendered the term Racism effectively meaningless 2banon Sep 2014 #164

LOL, my perspective is hardly earth shattering enough to... Spazito Sep 2014 #165

election = sowing seeds of discontent spanone Sep 2014 #13

Pitting Dem against Dem. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #16

Worked for Nixon, and they've never stopped using it for that purpose: freshwest Sep 2014 #66

THIS^^^^^^^ calimary Sep 2014 #117

The best possible face you can put on this is that he was rambling and near incoherent. randome Sep 2014 #15

He wants Obama to do something hfojvt Sep 2014 #136

Moore in general is a lot smarter in writing than he is talking nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #17

He is immensely entertaining in person. I've seen him every time he's come to the Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #21

Where were Michael Moore's detractors when this shit.... sgtbenobo Sep 2014 #18

No one is ignoring it, it is a small part whereas his key point, in his interview, was to.... Spazito Sep 2014 #19

Not at all RobertEarl Sep 2014 #22

Obamacare, getting Bin Laden, the Lily Ledbedder Act to name just a very few things... Spazito Sep 2014 #23

That's it? RobertEarl Sep 2014 #29

Silly hippie. :) Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #41

You must have missed where I wrote "to name just a few things"... Spazito Sep 2014 #48

+1,000 Scuba Sep 2014 #96

Are you serious? JaneyVee Sep 2014 #97

He can at least be known as someone who TRIED to do the right things... cascadiance Sep 2014 #124

BS heaven05 Sep 2014 #119

That's what I remember Carter for RobertEarl Sep 2014 #126

Obama had nothing to do with getting Lily Ledbedder passed. He signed the law. And Bin Laden? Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #31

I always find it fascinating the President is never given credit for pushing for something like the Spazito Sep 2014 #52

When he signed the bill, he had only been President for 9 days. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #161

If FDR had forced people to purchase private retirement insurance instead of a public obligation Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #45

Joe Lieberman is the person you can blame for that, not Obama. pnwmom Sep 2014 #86

But what do you think he will be remembered for? That's the question. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #145

I think he will be remembered for the rights of GLBTs being furthered more than at any... Spazito Sep 2014 #146

Only after Michelle Obama and his kids Jamastiene Sep 2014 #150

I give him credit for growing, maturing and ending with a greater understanding... Spazito Sep 2014 #151

Bush will be remembered for ignoring the signs that were pointing to 9.11 pnwmom Sep 2014 #85

I think, like many of us, Moore expected Obama to go big. He certainly campaigned as the anti-Bush Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #25

Those who expected President Obama to "go big" were not paying attention to him and his... Spazito Sep 2014 #32

There were some go big issues that he campaigned on. One the public option... Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #40

Nice try at a red herring redirect... Spazito Sep 2014 #57

on that point.. 2banon Sep 2014 #130

I responded to your question on the thread as requested n/t Spazito Sep 2014 #134

thanks, appreciate it. I responded to that one just now.. 2banon Sep 2014 #140

So if you paid attention Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #62

If you listened to him during his campaign speeches in 2008, you would know he was a Spazito Sep 2014 #67

So you voted for a centrist? Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #70

Did you vote for him? n/t Spazito Sep 2014 #74

Yep. Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #152

It appears you, along with millions, voted for a centrist as well.. Spazito Sep 2014 #158

What a joke. Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #162

Actually, I find your response anything but a joke... Spazito Sep 2014 #163

The joke is Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #166

First and foremost, I have never told anyone, American or otherwise, how they should vote... Spazito Sep 2014 #167

First and for most then, why Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #168

It is clear you are unable or unwilling to have a discussion without insults... Spazito Sep 2014 #169

It is clear you are unable to deal with your own issues. Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #170

I ams SOOOOOOOOO tired of... sendero Sep 2014 #94

... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2014 #138

Kennedy got the space program going into full swing Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #80

Honestly, I respect your opinion.... sgtbenobo Sep 2014 #27

Given his latest screed, yes, I believe he holds racist views... Spazito Sep 2014 #36

Perhaps discussed yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #55

Thread fail!! How does MM know that Obama agrees with his criticism? Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #24

How could you confuse WJC with BHO? MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #37

Easy, because they LOVE to pull stuff out of context, turn on the hate and then look like idiots. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #26

And they're so good at it! Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #33

I'm old enough to remember when environmentalists turned on each other... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #47

Who hates MM?? REALLY???? Michael Moore is the victim? Of HATE??? By people Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #35

Pssst!!! Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #43

Well, I'd point you to Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #137

Well played, Anansi. INCREDIBLY well done Number23 Sep 2014 #143

They've succeeded spectacularly on all three counts. pa28 Sep 2014 #69

Uhm ...that would be a republican and tea party trait. L0oniX Sep 2014 #104

You noticed! Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #106

I hope we aren't the only ones who did. L0oniX Sep 2014 #108

We've all got "enthusiastic" friends. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #111

Yeah, this whole thing has a definite Dixie Chicks quality about it. n/t QC Sep 2014 #113

I'm pretty sure Monsanto will remember him, NSA will remember him, CIA will remember him, whereisjustice Sep 2014 #30

...and the NRA. L0oniX Sep 2014 #105

this seems more in character. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #38

Thank you. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #44

in fact, it not even "I'm hip cuz I'm up on the latest dirt" , BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2014 #46

This is why we can't have nice things. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #148

He made "them" mad Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #42

lol, apparently so, I remember media tributes about how Obama overcame "adversity" and whereisjustice Sep 2014 #56

Michael Moore is a racist who deserves no consideration at all. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #49

Thanks for the kick. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #51

No problem MohRokTah Sep 2014 #53

other than your interpretation of these recent remarks, G_j Sep 2014 #58

His reent statement marks him as a vile racist. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #59

just as I thought... G_j Sep 2014 #60

He's vile, I tells ya. Vile! Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #63

He's in Cahoots! adirondacker Sep 2014 #64

Not just a racist. A VILE racist. pa28 Sep 2014 #77

Please back up your accusation with a detailed assessment of MM's past racist remarks/deeds. Please ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #109

You wanted the floor. You have it. Start talking DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #171

of course the purist are going to throw Michael Moore under the bus - Who haven't they thrown under Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #54

just like the purists who throw Obama under the bus for "doing nothing significant" still_one Sep 2014 #73

at least you agree that purist are throwing Michael Moore under the bus Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #75

yup, the sword cuts both ways. MM also did NOT vote for the Democratic nominee in 2000 still_one Sep 2014 #76

And Elizabeth Warren voted for Republicans in almost every election in her adult life Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #123

I'm throwing Obama under the bus for the significant things he's done, OnyxCollie Sep 2014 #82

It's perfectly understandable. Maedhros Sep 2014 #116

That is interesting. What is even more interesting is a lot of posts on DU are quite happy that it still_one Sep 2014 #71

I support Pres O, and I think even Pres O Iliyah Sep 2014 #78

We've got a contingent here that really doesn't like liberals. Marr Sep 2014 #79

And their masks are off bobduca Sep 2014 #88

I'm not clear on how anyone could AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #87

even if they did think it was objectionable or even if they felt he was completely wrong Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #89

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #93

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #92

Because it ignores his many accomplishmemts JaneyVee Sep 2014 #95

Listing all Obama's accomplishments before any criticism is management psych. L0oniX Sep 2014 #110

Sorry, I'm still disappointed with MM's entire ball of crap. raven mad Sep 2014 #90

Divide and rule malaise Sep 2014 #91

All MM had to do was take back making the -remembered Progressive dog Sep 2014 #98

Because it doen't fit with the anti-Liberal sentiment they are trying to peddle. nt NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #100

Because they need to turn him into a racist. MNBrewer Sep 2014 #102

That would not serve the purpose of vilifying a prominent progressive. QC Sep 2014 #107

What? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #114

Yes, the obligatory disclaimer. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #115

what, and deny the sycophants their poutrage? KG Sep 2014 #118

I imagine MM is still a little bitter over the abandonment of a public option. raouldukelives Sep 2014 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Sep 2014 #121

JFK is only known for getting shot in the head. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #122

well, that and zappaman Sep 2014 #129

I don't know if younger people know about that. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #133

Don't forget to mention he and his brother had MM killed! zappaman Sep 2014 #135

K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #131

Thanks Michael for speaking. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #141

Because there is still room under the bus. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #144

Meme Stampede Octafish Sep 2014 #147

I think your OP covers DU's last six months, in a nutshell. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #149

Because they wanted to whine! Nt Logical Sep 2014 #153

MM had his gotcha ready to spring and he sprung it. ucrdem Sep 2014 #154

I posted the same interview clip in a couple threads where his "Racism" was being decried Savannahmann Sep 2014 #156

I'm surprised and disappointed to see so many people defending Moore's comments ecstatic Sep 2014 #159

2:07 Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #160