This has nothing to do with Clinton vs. Warren vs. Sanders vs. liberal to be named later

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17. Of course no Pubs will work with any Dem. The difference is that Sanders will kick

their asses verbally, every day and in every medium, so that even the dumbest Fox watcher out in the hinterlands may get the idea that maybe, just maybe, jeebus, abortion, and gunz may not be the most important issues after all. That maybe the rich aren't looking after the country's best interests. Et cetera.

The major determining factor, IMO, is that Obama (and Clinton, too) both feel they have something to lose if they are President and don't go along with the flow -- their position AFTER their presidencies end. Whatever perks there are, they both want them. Bernie doesn't give a shit about that, and has shown it in his long public career. Bernie also has been an outspoken champion of average Americans; that is, he didn't start talking about the disappearance of the middle class yesterday.

To distill it, I'd say that Bernie Sanders has the one virtue needed -- courage. I don't see that anywhere else, except with maybe Warren. Courage may not win the war against the Pubs, but it beats rolling over for those bastards, which is what mainstream Dem politicians have been doing for too long. THAT'S what Dem/Indie voters are sick of -- voting someone in, and then seeing him/her vote "YAY!" on that whole list of stuff in Woo Me with Science's post above. It's infuriating.