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LeftishBrit

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43. Great. But those who didn't survive are not here to post about it!

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 05:03 PM

Sep 2014

You are right that most children, who get these diseases, even measles, do not die. But a certain number do die; and many others are very ill, and some of these suffer long-term ill-effects.

Why should people get these diseases, now that they're avoidable, just because earlier generations did? One could say the same about any number of things, including living in houses: the prehistoric cave-people did not live in houses, and yet enough of them survived to maintain the human race!

In 1948, when you were born according to your post, life expectancy was 10 years lower than nowadays. The change is even more marked with regard to infant mortality: about 1 in 25 children in 1948 died before their first birthday; nowadays it is more like 1 in 200. There are many other reasons for this change besides vaccines, but vaccines are one reason; and in any case it is not true that children survived just as well in the past as now.

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Measles is back: A mother's story, from today's LA Times: [View all] CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 OP

I am a survivor HockeyMom Sep 2014 #1

That's great. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #2

Why, if she can do it sans vaccine, then today's babies need to toughen up, by gumption! X_Digger Sep 2014 #65

Ha! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2014 #66

Thank you. Been biting my tongue. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2014 #79

She is an anti-vaxxer. That is her point. longship Sep 2014 #88

I have had all of them including whooping cough. Born 1941 and had most of them before I started jwirr Sep 2014 #3

What has that got to do with getting vaccinations? I run a website shraby Sep 2014 #4

I am a genealogist too HockeyMom Sep 2014 #6

Are you advocating people not get vaccinated? abelenkpe Sep 2014 #11

Yup. That's her schtick. An anti-vaxxer. nt longship Sep 2014 #89

The real point Feral Child Sep 2014 #22

Lived in NYC HockeyMom Sep 2014 #45

What? Feral Child Sep 2014 #72

my great-grandfather i think, had 8 kids + all survived to adulthood. i actually KNEW pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #58

If it is your point that vaccination leads to overpopulation, then the hedgehog Sep 2014 #100

It worked. We need to show those not getting vaccinations that it did work. As far as autism is jwirr Sep 2014 #12

I remember them living us up in school for those vax HockeyMom Sep 2014 #16

My dad had polio as a kid passiveporcupine Sep 2014 #41

yes, I am an anti-vaxer HockeyMom Sep 2014 #47

well bless your heart elehhhhna Sep 2014 #78

Because you won the lottery, everyone else should play Russian Roulette? Jeff Murdoch Sep 2014 #87

Your position has a body count. longship Sep 2014 #90

Point of fact, the one known link to autism is pre-natal exposure to hedgehog Sep 2014 #101

i was born in '41 too. i was not vaccinated for chicken pox, DesertFlower Sep 2014 #9

How many of your generation didn't survive? KitSileya Sep 2014 #5

I'm not sure I get your post either. Laffy Kat Sep 2014 #18

Measles is no joke. Neither is rubella. Warpy Sep 2014 #27

Neither is chicken pox, for that matter. GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #42

even with insurance, the shingles shot is very expensive. eom ellenfl Sep 2014 #63

One of my mom's cousins died of chicken pox in 1946. nt. Mariana Sep 2014 #64

Chicken pox is even worse for people who didn't have it as children and weren't vaccinated... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #108

And - unlike vaccines - maternal rubella really does increase the risk of autism for the offspring LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #94

Great. But those who didn't survive are not here to post about it! LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #43

Thank you for your sanctimonious dependence on our appreciation. Lost In America Sep 2014 #71

Measles can be an extremely serious disease in an adult still_one Sep 2014 #77

Yeah I'll THINK about that BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #91

Good for you. You survived! longship Sep 2014 #93

So did I and the rest of my sibs - shall we discuss the terrible eczema and asthma my brother hedgehog Sep 2014 #99

But don't forget the ones who AREN'T here today, because AleksS Sep 2014 #104

I was a baby boomer too and had all the same things - non eventfully karynnj Sep 2014 #109

These vaccinations are available without thimerisol abelenkpe Sep 2014 #7

How frightening. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #8

What are those two counties with greater than 20% exemptions? KitSileya Sep 2014 #14

Trinity to the west, Yuba and Sierra counties together toward the East. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #17

I worked 1:1 with a Kinder kid not vax in South Florida HockeyMom Sep 2014 #19

The vax is not for people who are already immune passiveporcupine Sep 2014 #48

Yes, Natural Immunity HockeyMom Sep 2014 #50

So, how about all the kids who died passiveporcupine Sep 2014 #70

Not always. People have occasionally had the diseases more than once. LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #95

du rec. xchrom Sep 2014 #10

i've come across some recent threads about vaccines. DesertFlower Sep 2014 #13

PBS "Frontline" had a great episode on vaccines last week. GoCubsGo Sep 2014 #39

How Vaccine Fears Fueled The Resurgence Of Preventable Diseases etherealtruth Sep 2014 #15

I had a DPT vax in 1949 HockeyMom Sep 2014 #20

Please do get the pertussis booster. PADemD Sep 2014 #31

I had that under 5 HockeyMom Sep 2014 #44

She isn't going to do it. She is an anti-vaxxer. longship Sep 2014 #92

Ok, you seriously seem to be very healthy.. likesmountains 52 Sep 2014 #76

Don't cut yourself gardening. hedgehog Sep 2014 #102

Cannot count the number of times I have cut myself HockeyMom Sep 2014 #106

i've only had 1 flu vaccine and i was sick the next day. DesertFlower Sep 2014 #21

Barbara Loe Fisher... SidDithers Sep 2014 #26

don't know much about dr. Mercola except that he DesertFlower Sep 2014 #28

First, Barbara Loe Fisher is the head of NVIC, the biggest anti-vaccination organization in the US.. SidDithers Sep 2014 #33

i don't know that much about him so i'm DesertFlower Sep 2014 #36

You're entitled to your opinion, as misinformed as it might be, you're entitled to it... SidDithers Sep 2014 #49

your so hung up on Mercola that you DesertFlower Sep 2014 #56

It was because the vaccine was working Warpy Sep 2014 #30

Should an infant be vaccinated if they are born with infections already? cureautismnow Sep 2014 #40

I'd go with a pediatrician's advice. Warpy Sep 2014 #46

These kind of infections suppress the immune system. cureautismnow Sep 2014 #55

This would need the specialist knowledge of the doctor. LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #96

i'll take my chances with the flu. DesertFlower Sep 2014 #57

Sure, if you want to live in the middle of nowhere NuclearDem Sep 2014 #69

just because a person doesn't get flu shots DesertFlower Sep 2014 #74

Well, your anecdotal argument sure has persuaded me. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #75

why are you concerned DesertFlower Sep 2014 #81

Because if you get sick and the flu multiplies in your body, you will infect more of the public with DebJ Sep 2014 #84

sorry about your husband but i'm not getting a DesertFlower Sep 2014 #86

I rolled that dice once too often. HeiressofBickworth Sep 2014 #111

Amen to that! My grandma got the flu vaccine every year, and got sick every year. hedgehog Sep 2014 #103

Since it takes several days for your body to react to the presence of the flu, it wasn't the shot DebJ Sep 2014 #83

Thanks for posting, Peggy. Feral Child Sep 2014 #23

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2014 #24

My mother would arrange it if one of us kids had, say, measles, she made sure we all got it valerief Sep 2014 #25

That's what mothers did before vaccinations Warpy Sep 2014 #51

TB? Your mother could have killed you with her efforts. LisaL Sep 2014 #67

Nope, never a reaction Warpy Sep 2014 #73

I guess you were lucky. LisaL Sep 2014 #85

As the OP articles illustrates, measles could be deadly. LisaL Sep 2014 #68

I agree, but we had certain expectations in life. We'd all get valerief Sep 2014 #80

Born before most vaccinations, had most of the illnesses. colorado_ufo Sep 2014 #29

I had all the childhood diseases of yesteryear, including whooping cough. I wouldn't put a child Shrike47 Sep 2014 #32

I had them all too dflprincess Sep 2014 #82

the thigh? shanti Sep 2014 #105

According to my mom dflprincess Sep 2014 #110

K&R! Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #34

Thank you, going directly to facebook! mountain grammy Sep 2014 #35

Thanks a lot anti-vaxers..... blackspade Sep 2014 #37

Measles was on its way out in this country too. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #38

Both of my children have received every MrsMatt Sep 2014 #52

It's one thing to have been born onecaliberal Sep 2014 #53

kick and rec Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #54

I was born in 1966 b4 the Rubella vaccine deafskeptic Sep 2014 #59

It's rare, but possible to go deaf from the vaccine itself cureautismnow Sep 2014 #61

I've had classmates who went deaf as a result of measles/mumps if not the vaccine itself. n/t deafskeptic Sep 2014 #62

My neighbor is deaf because he had mumps. Mariana Sep 2014 #107

It's much rarer than for the actual diseases, though LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #97

there are MD's and DO's who practice DesertFlower Sep 2014 #60

From your post to my Facebook - many, many thanks! hedgehog Sep 2014 #98