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86. No, what is being done to this country is not
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2014, 06:46 AM - Edit history (1)

just another flavor of capitalism within an essentially functioning democratic government.

It's not.

As a former president of the United States put it, we don't have a functioning democracy anymore.

We are witnessing an ongoing process of merger of state and corporation (one definition of fascism) that is truly frightening. The very foundations of our democratic system are being actively dismantled by the corporate politicians you defend.

We have lost much of the Bill of Rights. There is a secret, unaccountable government operating alongside the one we are taught about at school, and it has the power of mass surveillance and dossiers on citizens, secret laws and secret courts, the power to smear and lie and disinform, to suppress protest and political dissent, and to indefinitely imprison and even murder American citizens without transparency and without due process.

Our intelligence and security agencies have been co-opted and are being used to surveil peaceful domestic protest and to engage in corporate espionage. Our purchased government actors are using every means possible - the courts, "trade" agreements, legislation, executive actions - to restructure and rig the system to pass power to corporations that used to belong to the people of this nation.

Journalism has been hobbled through intimidation/abuse of espionage laws and by active consolidation and purchase by corporate entities that parrot the party lines....and our precious internet is being handed over to those same corporations as we speak. Whistleblowers and potential government whistleblowers are under unprecedented surveillance and assault. Our police departments have been militarized, and peaceful protests federally surveilled *in cooperation* with Wall Street and brutally suppressed.

Legislation coming out of our corrupt, purchased government bears no resemblance whatsoever to the popular will and hasn't for a long time. And the wealth of ordinary Americans is being looted, and our commons are being looted, to fill the pockets of the billionaires, bankers, and corporations who are building this new corporatocracy hurtling into fascism.

We hear a lot of lies and propaganda and Newspeak, most likely funded through our own tax dollars. We are told that our system is functioning, that we need only vote harder next time. We are told that the politicians perpetrating these assaults on our nation are "centrists" or "moderates," with the safe, warm connotations of those words. How could anything "moderate" or in the "center" be dangerous? But these are extreme, even fascistic policies, and it is time we called them out for what they are.

They are assaults on democracy itself. They are assaults on our Constitution. They are assaults on every one of us.

And it needs to stop now.

Other... Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #1
Wonderful quotes, Tierra_y_Libertad. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #30
Perfect! nt adirondacker Sep 2014 #48
I think I like your answer best of all. woo me with science Sep 2014 #91
+1,000 Scuba Sep 2014 #103
I'm comfortable with the parts of the party Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #2
I wish you could "like" posts here Depaysement Sep 2014 #43
Welcome to DU, Depaysement! calimary Sep 2014 #74
Thank you for the hello! Depaysement Sep 2014 #84
I had changed my affiliation to Democrat after Obama's election. Maedhros Sep 2014 #65
The question is Does anyone speak for me oldandhappy Sep 2014 #3
Make that two of us that feel that way. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2014 #23
Do you speak to the Democratic Party? duhneece Sep 2014 #53
yes yes and yes, smile oldandhappy Sep 2014 #110
Thank you. I have the hope of an old activist. duhneece Sep 2014 #152
I am disappointed, but who speaks for me more than Democrats? merrily Sep 2014 #4
I'm with you on this. The Democrats makes me despair sometimes, QC Sep 2014 #5
Democratic policies have devolved into fascism, too. woo me with science Sep 2014 #8
Well, sometimes it's a matter of ineffectual hand-wringing QC Sep 2014 #13
So you are saying we're all fascists now Progressive dog Sep 2014 #21
"So you are saying we're all fascists now" Hell no, but nice try. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #24
You took it back, so we're not fascists according to you Progressive dog Sep 2014 #31
You are tricky. You continually try to put words into the mouths of others. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #38
I just attribute their own words to them, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #51
So you think we live in a democracy where meeting the "others" part way will rhett o rick Sep 2014 #64
It's possible to compromise with most Americans, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #67
Well most Americans don't run the country. Our conservative president couldn't negotiate rhett o rick Sep 2014 #73
Holy cow, we have Democrats in Name Only, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #82
Sorry but you seemed to have gone off the edge and I am tired of playing rhett o rick Sep 2014 #85
"You continually try to put words into the mouths of others." QC Sep 2014 #95
Spot on. Perfect translation. woo me with science Sep 2014 #102
Yes exactly. Also, if you'll notice, they ask a lot of insinuating questions and rarely if ever rhett o rick Sep 2014 #109
Yep! n/t QC Sep 2014 #111
+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #127
+2 bobthedrummer Sep 2014 #153
I bet a progressive cat would not have done that. n/t bobduca Sep 2014 #71
I think someone doesn't understand what the word "progressive" means. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #76
I think some people use that word as protective coloration. QC Sep 2014 #97
I very much noticed. I am glad others notice also. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #107
It happens way too frequently, and it is painfully obvious. nt stillwaiting Sep 2014 #132
It's a pretty amusing phenomenon MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #135
No, "we" most certainly are not all fascists. I'm certainly not. woo me with science Sep 2014 #33
How does having fascist policies differ from being fascist? Progressive dog Sep 2014 #46
Silly question. IMO we are not living in a fascist state yet. However, IMO we do live in a rhett o rick Sep 2014 #69
Corptocracy, is that even word? Progressive dog Sep 2014 #78
No, what is being done to this country is not woo me with science Sep 2014 #86
The legislation coming out of government, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #149
Too true! Corporations and the 1% are not content to support Republicans against Democrats. Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #62
Amen. woo me with science Sep 2014 #88
They are going to use any means from stopping campaign contributions. I hope their efforts will Dustlawyer Sep 2014 #101
You are never going to get the exact candidate you want. merrily Sep 2014 #10
Sometimes I just about do need CPR. QC Sep 2014 #16
Exactly!!! I saw this and my immediate reaction was - "a HELLUVA lot more than the GOP does!" calimary Sep 2014 #60
I am confident Bernie will do nothing to help Republicans. merrily Sep 2014 #63
Seems to me that Hillary is the one JEB Sep 2014 #113
Mostly- if it didn't would I be on DU? TexasProgresive Sep 2014 #6
the party's set up to allow the liberals a voice and a place, but mostly to keep them pulling the MisterP Sep 2014 #7
The system is set up that way, not only the Party. merrily Sep 2014 #17
The progressive caucus is where it's at:) grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #9
They are Democrats. merrily Sep 2014 #11
Yes! Much larger than the TEA naggers, yet ignored by the media... And many Dems. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #14
Much larger than teabaggers, but merrily Sep 2014 #15
76 strong: grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #66
But ordinary Americans don't know they exist. woo me with science Sep 2014 #92
Today's Democratic Party does a poor job of speaking for itself... kentuck Sep 2014 #12
+1 Enthusiast Sep 2014 #120
Great idea for a poll. nt adirondacker Sep 2014 #18
Plus 1 nt SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2014 #41
That's kinda assuming there's one "voice" for the party. jeff47 Sep 2014 #19
IMO ...there are 3 parties. Republicans, Democrats and ..............Centrists. L0oniX Sep 2014 #20
I'd say, but more accurate would be... vi5 Sep 2014 #26
"Centrists" BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #27
I'd say Democrats, Republicans, and the John Birch Society RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #42
Well, at the risk of annoying by posting this yet AGAIN, woo me with science Sep 2014 #96
By all means please keep up the annoying! L0oniX Sep 2014 #98
kick phantom power Sep 2014 #22
the state of the democratic party is awful. nt xchrom Sep 2014 #25
Same old thing Eatacig Sep 2014 #28
Good catch! Manny is a notorious right-winger RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #36
Damnit, Manny! They're on to you ... SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2014 #44
Bastards. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #68
Prove it n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #40
Au contraire MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #99
I like grassroots Democrats and I support Democratic Principles rhett o rick Sep 2014 #29
That captures a part of it for me SomeGuyInEagan Sep 2014 #47
It certainly speaks for more people than it would have in the past YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #32
I am a Democrat... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #34
There's a serious disconnect between the rank and file and the leadership RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #35
I'm disappointed but I'd much rather see Democrats in power than Republicans. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #37
I almost went with "The Party is a disaster"... 99Forever Sep 2014 #39
Voted with the overwhelming majority. City Lights Sep 2014 #45
This am I watched Tom Harkin locks Sep 2014 #49
Other, of course Warpy Sep 2014 #50
As DU polls go, this one is getting a good number of responses. merrily Sep 2014 #52
Today's DU doesn't speak for me still_one Sep 2014 #54
How so? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #79
You are always so polite Manny. It was just my way of saying that folks should be critical thinkers still_one Sep 2014 #114
I wish the Democratic Party used science and statistics for policies. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #55
+1 Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #81
Woo me with science, ZombieHorde! woo me with science Sep 2014 #90
The 21,000 hungry dying might be undeserving based on their boot strap performance. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #121
There's two so I went with a few, but I agree the party is a disaster. Autumn Sep 2014 #56
impossible to fix this as it is..2 parties, owned by money for the most part and corrupt to the core xiamiam Sep 2014 #57
Yes, Manny, the Party speaks for me. Jackpine Radical Sep 2014 #58
K & R MoreGOPoop Sep 2014 #59
Other. H2O Man Sep 2014 #61
On the edge of "Party is a disaster" BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #70
I can't say "disaster". Feral Child Sep 2014 #72
The party has done a crappy job with messaging, especially since Wasserman-Shultz became chair MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #75
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #123
Mario Cuomo's Son is a Quintessential example of what happened . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #77
Amen! QC Sep 2014 #100
Precisely. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #122
+1000 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #140
They speak for me rock Sep 2014 #80
Air strikes are aggressive . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #141
Actually, I speak for the Party..... brooklynite Sep 2014 #83
Talk about what and with whom ? orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #87
The head of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee... brooklynite Sep 2014 #115
Perhaps you can give us some advice then. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #117
Through what means do you talk with the DSCC? Enthusiast Sep 2014 #124
Actually, they do... brooklynite Sep 2014 #130
Oh. So because you have donated they called you up to discuss the issues? Enthusiast Sep 2014 #131
But surely, his contributions are $50 here, $25 there MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #137
I can no longer afford much. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #139
Internet forums, by their nature, are apolitical. joshcryer Sep 2014 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #142
Nope. The Party is a disaster. (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #89
Other: the thought of a political party as home seems strange. Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #93
the two party system is killing this country KG Sep 2014 #94
It doesn't seem like we have two parties. Autumn Sep 2014 #106
We have two fake parties, woo me with science Sep 2014 #108
I believe you are correct. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #125
K&R minivan2 Sep 2014 #104
They speak? RagAss Sep 2014 #105
Why should it? treestar Sep 2014 #112
Why I didn't pick the "disappointing" option Jim Lane Sep 2014 #116
I realize I must seem like the least likely DUer to kick this, but I will Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #118
The Democratic Party establishment is most akin to Vichy France. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #129
Let me guess... LuvNewcastle Sep 2014 #144
LOL Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #147
84% disappointed or disaster grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #119
60+% haven't read the platform. joshcryer Sep 2014 #126
LOL! The question was not "Does the Dem Party Platform speak for you." merrily Sep 2014 #133
100% have seen the actions and results MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #134
Very few Dems speak for me. 840high Sep 2014 #136
I said "Mostly Comfortable" RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #138
Obama and Chomsky agree - Obama would be considered a moderate Republican bananas Sep 2014 #143
Noam Chomsky talks more like a 70's Dem, than the orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #145
More than disappointing Babel_17 Sep 2014 #146
It's better than the alternative Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #148
Bombing Syria, dragnet NSA spying, Bankster bailouts! What's not to love! nt Romulox Sep 2014 #150
No - but that is largely because we have 2 major parties. TBF Sep 2014 #151
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