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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
24. "Obama was always a centrist Democrat"
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 07:05 PM
Sep 2014

Most definitely. In The Audacity of Hope, he talked about how an unsavory part of politics is that people impose their own beliefs on candidates.
That is exactly what happened. Obama opposed the war and said so, therefore he is liberal on all fronts.

There were other qualities imposed on him because he is African American by both the right and left.

"Versions of "angry black man" came from both sides. Some on the left expected a combination of the best of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and even a little Martin Luther King Jr.

The right had any and all thuggish movie characters in mind. When it was discovered that he is a devout Christian, they found the angry Rev. Wright.

I think Moore was one of many who adopted a version of what to expect from Obama based on a personal belief system colored by stereotypes and he can't or won't shake them.

The way I understood Moore's comments is, "Obama has not behaved according to my positive stereotypes of a Democrat who opposed the war, and our best black leaders - therefore he will only be remembered by his skin color."

It's kind of like a teacher discovering that their only Asian student isn't good at math. Take away that quality of excellence and what do you have? The first and only Asian kid in the class?

The flip side of Moore's reasoning is someone disappointed to discover that Obama is not an thuggish "angry black man." In which case, the best strategy to repair the disconnect might be to try to ensure that he meets the lowest standard of achievement possible.

Moore doesn't want him to fail. But, he's angry about the disconnect between his expectations and reality. His best hope is that history will validate his feelings.

In the end, negative AND positive sentiments can perpetuate stereotypes. Why would we qualify one as racist but not the other? For some, the determinant is malice. For me, it is consequences that follow assumptions.

I think racist is appropriate language to describe Moore's comments. You don't have to hate an entire group of people to devalue them. But, racism is ALWAYS about consequences.

What would a black president or any black man have to do to measure up to Moore's standards? A lot of my friends have told me about having to work harder than any other employee to be considered good enough. Expectations range from too high to barely competent. Either way the yardstick seems to be different for people of color.

Michel Moore has made some positive contributions to our culture. For me, his not being willing to question his assumptions brings his future credibility into question.

I think it's good practice to question ourselves and our heroes.


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From the "centrist" (rightist) point of view... Pholus Sep 2014 #1
Anyone who runs against Hillary LuvNewcastle Sep 2014 #2
For some it's the "You are either with us or against us" crap.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #6
That's what it's like. LuvNewcastle Sep 2014 #8
True, they have Fox, Rush, and Hannity LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #22
Or worse, that we should adopt Republican policiies to avoid Republican attacks. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #31
I see MM as going flapping in the wind madokie Sep 2014 #3
Moore is a member of the pundit class. Ikonoklast Sep 2014 #19
Yup, and anyone who defends Michael Moore is under attack too. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #4
I frankly don't recall many people raising his ideology as a reason he couldn't be elected dsc Sep 2014 #5
However, Hillary voting for the war was an issue. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #7
yes it was dsc Sep 2014 #9
Actually, it was the "Hussein" thing that caused the "rational" Dems to wet themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #32
Ironic or Pathetic and Predictable? bobduca Sep 2014 #10
I'm tired of the disappointment meme treestar Sep 2014 #11
How cute...you try so hard. U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #15
Not an answer treestar Sep 2014 #18
Demanding is good. It implies an expectation of compitence...something you seem to know little U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #20
Demanding what you want at the expense of others treestar Sep 2014 #25
This is a strawman argument. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #27
They shouldn't be treestar Sep 2014 #33
Funny, I don't remember anyone (here or in the blgosphere) saying he was unelectable... brooklynite Sep 2014 #12
The question of electability was mostly in mainstream media BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #13
I was a pro-Hillary persona and I don't recall that at all. brooklynite Sep 2014 #14
I dont remember that. DCBob Sep 2014 #16
This claim is simply untrue. 6000eliot Sep 2014 #17
Have you ever considered that the Democratic Party running a divisive........ socialist_n_TN Sep 2014 #23
"Obama was always a centrist Democrat" loyalsister Sep 2014 #24
The POTUS will always be a "centrist" treestar Sep 2014 #26
Michael Moore is not a racist. In defense of Michael Moore, let me just add this . . . Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #21
Were they wrong. About him being far left, or taking on captilism that is.. CentralMass Sep 2014 #28
And Hillary was called unelectable for being too polarizing bluestateguy Sep 2014 #29
I truly do not recall any Democrat saying support of Obama was "far left" MohRokTah Sep 2014 #30
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