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IdaBriggs

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Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:29 PM Sep 2014

Should officers who discharge a firearm in the line of duty be PERMANENTLY relieved of duty? [View all]

This is a "yes / no / maybe" question, and I would like to see some discussion about it.

Here are the arguments I see both for and against --

Option: Yes. Once you point a gun at another human being, whether that be in defense of your own life, or that of someone else, the person pulling the trigger is forever changed. At that point in time, officers who have had the misfortune to be unable to find other, peaceful means of protecting their lives and those of the public, need to be removed from the police force for not only their own mental health, but that of the public. They should be offered mental health / post traumatic stress counseling services, but at the end of the day, it is better for everyone if they move on to another line of work.

Option: No. Good police officers undergo extensive training, and if that rare worst case scenario occurs, a police officer should not be more worried about their future employment than they are about protecting themselves or members of the public. At the end of the day we need to *trust* the people who are actually on the scene, and also allow that sometimes, mistakes in judgment will occur. This is a high pressure and difficult job; those who dedicate their lives to serving others deserve our respect, and demanding they completely change careers after a traumatic experience is simply adding insult to psychological injury.

Option: Maybe. Each situation should be determined on its own merit, with outside peer-review evaluation, psychological counseling and crisis intervention training being on going. Just like teachers are expected to participate in ongoing training efforts to maintain credentials, law enforcement officials need the same support structures in place. Like it or not, there are a lot of crazy people with guns out there, and sometimes that means law enforcement professionals may need to act aggressively to protect the innocent.

Thoughts? And if you can show arguments both for and against, as well as which one you find most convincing, I would appreciate the chance for enlightenment.

Please discuss!

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I agree largely with your "Maybe" option. cali Sep 2014 #1
I am trying to "devil's advocate" for all sides to encourage discussion. IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #19
Maybe, each situation is different. Steroid use, however, should not be tolerated at all. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #2
Some medications definitely impact judgement, including pain medications. IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #33
They should be moved to a desk job. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #39
So you give a cop a gun with the expressed intent B2G Sep 2014 #3
That would be one option - it *used to be* that police officers could go decades IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #5
Maybe. Depends on the situation Scootaloo Sep 2014 #4
I went with "outside peer review" as opposed to "internal peer review." IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #7
So say a cop has a clear shot at an armed kidnapper who is holding hostages. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #6
What do you think? IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #8
Call me old-fashioned, but I would want him to shoot the bad guy to save the hostages, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #9
And what if he shoots the wrong person? IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #15
No YarnAddict Sep 2014 #10
Exactly. B2G Sep 2014 #12
"deadly force is absolutely necessary" -- this seems to be the crux of the matter. IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #22
With intensive and proper YarnAddict Sep 2014 #25
May I ask why you preferred the "no" option to the "maybe" option? tkmorris Sep 2014 #35
Because it is a "yes" or "no" question YarnAddict Sep 2014 #38
No because that would be idiotic... Oktober Sep 2014 #11
I asked it in another post, but it seems like you might have some insite into this issue also. IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #16
Same standard we use for everyone else... Oktober Sep 2014 #29
If it's clearly a good shoot that saves lives, why would geek tragedy Sep 2014 #13
"If its a bad shoot, they should go to prison." IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #18
There are varying degrees of criminal culpability geek tragedy Sep 2014 #27
I think the Canadians used to have a system that investigated any Mountie who fired their weapon jwirr Sep 2014 #14
Interesting. Any idea if the program still exists? IdaBriggs Sep 2014 #17
I do not know if it still exists. From what I understand it is based on the same idea as the one in jwirr Sep 2014 #20
I believe every city in the US B2G Sep 2014 #21
Good. However as we are seeing in Ferguson MO - it depends on who reviews the report. jwirr Sep 2014 #24
If that's the issue, then address that B2G Sep 2014 #26
Searching for black & white in a grey world ksoze Sep 2014 #23
Qualified maybe. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #28
People can kill using other means B2G Sep 2014 #30
I would call knives and cars weapons. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #32
Perception is a tricky thing... Oktober Sep 2014 #31
Not if the shooting was justified. KamaAina Sep 2014 #34
Two things: Pay cops a lot more, and at the same time demand a lot more of them. True Blue Door Sep 2014 #36
For unjustifiable shoots yes, justifiable ones no jmowreader Sep 2014 #37
No. Some shootings are necessary and justified. hack89 Sep 2014 #40
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