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moriah

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Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:39 PM Sep 2014

Michael Pearl, "To Train Up A Child", and Corporal Punishment [View all]

Okay. I'm not a parent. I'll say that right now. Nor was I an abused child.

But the people on here who are suggesting that spanking is appropriate for young children need to realize the results that happen when you tell parents it's not only appropriate, but necessary, to utilize corporal punishment to "train" their children.

Here's a quote from their book.

"A seven-month-old boy had, upon failing to get his way, stiffened clenched his fists, bared his toothless gums and called down damnation on the whole place. At a time like that, the angry expression on a baby’s face can resemble that of one instigating a riot. The young mother, wanting to do the right thing, stood there in helpless consternation, apologetically shrugged her shoulders and said, “What can I do?” My incredulous nine-year-old whipped back, “Switch him.” The mother responded, “I can’t, he’s too little.” With the wisdom of a veteran who had been on the little end of the switch, my daughter answered, “If he is old enough to pitch a fit, he is old enough to be spanked.”

On whipping a three year-old until he is "totally broken" (page 59):

"She then administers about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. He cries in pain. If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, “Johnny, clean up your mess.” He should very contritely wipe up the water."

On "switching" babies who are crying and not sleeping (page 60):

"But what of the grouch who would rather complain than sleep? Get tough. Be firm with him. Never put him down and then allow him to get up. If, after putting him down, you remember he just woke up, do not reward his complaining by allowing him to get up.For the sake of consistency in training, you must follow through. He may not be able to sleep, but he can be trained to lie there quietly. He will very quickly come to know that any time he is laid down there is no alternative but to stay put. To get up is to be on the firing line and get switched back down."

Given that this person seems to think it's fine for their nine year old to tell another mother to switch a 7 month old for crying... spanking a baby for failing to go to sleep on command?

There's more. They recommend the following:

-- Using plastic tubing to beat children, since it is “too light to cause damage to the muscle or the bone”
-- Wearing the plastic tubing around the parent’s neck as a constant reminder to obey
-- “Swatting” babies as young as six months old with instruments such as “a 12-inch willowy branch,” thinner plastic tubing or a wooden spoon
-- “Blanket training” babies by hitting them with an instrument if they try to crawl off a blanket on the floor
-- Beating older children with rulers, paddles, belts and larger tree branches
-- “Training” children with pain before they even disobey, in order to teach total obedience
-- Giving cold water baths, putting children outside in cold weather and withholding meals as discipline
-- Hosing off children who have potty training accidents
-- Inflicting punishment until a child is “without breath to complain”

But here's the results of these practices.

http://www.babble.com/mom/to-train-up-a-child-teaches-punishment-that-kills-kids/

http://www.examiner.com/article/another-couple-found-guilty-of-murder-for-parenting-by-to-train-up-a-child

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This may seem like the extremes, and that no parent in their right mind would ever murder their child trying to discipline them. But when people are taught that this is acceptable, and even necessary, this is what results.

Because corporal punishment simply doesn't work.

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Someone else characterized those disciplinary tactics as raising Cleita Sep 2014 #1
That nine-year-old certainly proves it. moriah Sep 2014 #4
It's also treating your child Dorian Gray Sep 2014 #20
Sick shenmue Sep 2014 #2
This isn't discipline, it is punishment. Not just abuse, but Pathwalker Sep 2014 #3
It truly is. Yet parents are buying this book and thinking that because they're "experts".... moriah Sep 2014 #5
All because they're totally ignorant about how a shepherd treats their sheep. Pathwalker Sep 2014 #10
May I quote you on FB? Stopping at the "any other one I know" point? moriah Sep 2014 #11
Certainly. I learned this from my cousin who's a sheep farmer. Pathwalker Sep 2014 #12
I second that. I learned it from herders too. nolabear Sep 2014 #26
What? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #6
How hard would you have to hit a baby to make him stop crying? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #7
That preacher.... oh.... my Goddess.... Can I report him and his wife for abuse? moriah Sep 2014 #8
They have been reported and investigated. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #9
Good lord BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #14
Yes. They follow the one true path. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #17
Excellent article. I'm glad she got out. moriah Sep 2014 #23
The ideas that the Pearl's write about LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #24
They read "Suffer the little children" but then ignored the rest of the sentence. nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #29
And misinterpret the meaning of the word "suffer" in that instance.... moriah Sep 2014 #36
Precisely. I was using it as a pun, but I felt explaining it would defang its effect. nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #47
Reading the first entry on that site hifiguy Sep 2014 #32
IDK. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #34
"What is, what happens when sociopaths write books, Alex?" joeybee12 Sep 2014 #13
When was this atrocity published? 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #15
1994. Not really that long ago. moriah Sep 2014 #21
Well, I am a parent, and this is such an outrageous nightmare! Tumbulu Sep 2014 #16
A better title for To Train Up a Child would be Child Abuse for Dummies. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #18
And why is Amazon selling this abuse manual? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #19
Because bookstores and libraries are not in the censorship business. Cleita Sep 2014 #22
Yet if enough people report a book on Amazon it can be yanked. nt justiceischeap Sep 2014 #25
That's their choice but they don't have to. Cleita Sep 2014 #27
How does one report a book on Amazon? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #31
It's mostly a matter of emailing them or starting a thread in their discussion forums justiceischeap Sep 2014 #35
How does one do this? Tumbulu Sep 2014 #30
They can, like many choose not to sell porn for instance, or like no one puts real news mags Cleita Sep 2014 #33
I just looked up this books publisher...it's the authors so I doubt contacting the publisher justiceischeap Sep 2014 #37
That's better yet. So he's self-published. I think it's time for a class action law suit Cleita Sep 2014 #38
There is a link to a petition under the links in moriah's OP. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #40
Thanks! Sorry I did not see it. nt Tumbulu Sep 2014 #42
No worries! Lots of us didn't. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #43
bookstores and libraries still make choices SheilaT Sep 2014 #44
Apparently this guy is self-published which means even the most RW & Christian publishing houses Cleita Sep 2014 #45
I just KNEW hifiguy Sep 2014 #28
During the struggle to get Skagit Co. to look into the brutal death of Hana Alemu... countryjake Sep 2014 #39
Thanks, countryjake. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #41
Here's another -- an Ebook of the actual book. moriah Sep 2014 #46
Twisted. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #48
You're quite welcome. countryjake Sep 2014 #49
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