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moriah

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65. In certain circumstances, yes.

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:28 PM

Sep 2014

I think that if a doctor has ordered a specific diet for a child, that failing to follow that diet is medical neglect and yes should be criminal.

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The thing is, many people vary widely on what they call "parenting styles". You have everything from attachment parenting where you don't even dream of slapping a toddler's hand away from something, because it stunts their brain's growth (proven fact). Then you have Michael Pearl and the "To Train Up A Child" crowd, that advocate horrific abuse as a valid, and even necessary, "parenting style".

So yes, I think the government has a duty to intervene when a person's "parenting style" crosses certain lines. The issue is defining where those lines are.

Like they say about torture.... "Besides being wrong, spanking doesn't work."

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I know I'm whining, but I wish corporal punishment had been criminalized a few decades earlier. [View all] Coventina Sep 2014 OP

As a rule, I tend to think anything you do to a stranger Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #1

strongly seconded. very well stated. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #2

Very good point. Coventina Sep 2014 #3

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #4

That's why, as a rule, I don't change strangers' diapers Orrex Sep 2014 #5

Did you notice the part of my post that specified Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #6

I never asked my infants' consent to change their diapers Orrex Sep 2014 #8

Because you're already the legal guardian of your child AND Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #9

Everything you wrote there simply underscores my point Orrex Sep 2014 #15

But one isn't talking levels of degree when comparing hacking with murder kcr Sep 2014 #18

I change non-family adult's diapers often, yay for nurses who do what others won't. uppityperson Sep 2014 #16

Because consent has been obtained Orrex Sep 2014 #19

Yet you were the one to bring up changing strangers diapers. Why bring it up if the analogy is not uppityperson Sep 2014 #25

And the analogy was put forth in reply #1 Orrex Sep 2014 #35

A most excellent point with which I totally agree. hifiguy Sep 2014 #64

Basic parenting would be kidnapping, false imprisonment as to a stranger. So this test doesn't work. Romulox Sep 2014 #102

Please keep your opinions out of my family Android3.14 Sep 2014 #7

Sanctity? In which religion is that right enshrined? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #10

That's just silly Android3.14 Sep 2014 #23

Once the child leaves the womb, it's another human being, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #37

Sigh Android3.14 Sep 2014 #42

That's the way the law is worded. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #45

I'm sure one can justify abusing authority in many ways Android3.14 Sep 2014 #56

I'm not implying anything. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #57

Do you see that as an absolute right? kcr Sep 2014 #11

Here's a start Android3.14 Sep 2014 #33

Okay. But we aren't talking about one swat kcr Sep 2014 #63

The problem isn't where to put the line Android3.14 Sep 2014 #67

Your children. Aren't. Your. Personal. Property. kcr Sep 2014 #68

Just remember that attitude when they take your reproductive rights away Android3.14 Sep 2014 #71

I saw you making that false equivalency about abortion to someone else. It doesn't fly. kcr Sep 2014 #72

Please look up strawman argument Android3.14 Sep 2014 #75

There is no safe side. morningfog Sep 2014 #101

No actual argument? Android3.14 Sep 2014 #104

I have given you many detailed arguments, some of which you have morningfog Sep 2014 #105

Society has made it everyone's business treestar Sep 2014 #96

No argument there. Android3.14 Sep 2014 #108

You keep saying it is no one's business. treestar Sep 2014 #114

No, it's not. Abortion is a right you exercise over your own body. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #12

You don't have a right to assault anyone. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #13

Of course not Android3.14 Sep 2014 #27

Do you support female genital mutilation? do you support the right of parents to do that uppityperson Sep 2014 #36

Are you intentionally being obtuse? Android3.14 Sep 2014 #39

I guess your answer to that is not, and that all values are not to be respected, it is ok to force uppityperson Sep 2014 #44

Please refrain from posting here. morningfog Sep 2014 #85

If you don't like the debate, don't read Android3.14 Sep 2014 #91

Freedom means children not being hit by morningfog Sep 2014 #92

Why do 70-90 percent of US parents spank Android3.14 Sep 2014 #93

It will be forced on you treestar Sep 2014 #98

Your arguments do not make sense. morningfog Sep 2014 #100

Please stick to the argument Android3.14 Sep 2014 #107

Lol! I refuted it repeatedly. You're a lost cause. morningfog Sep 2014 #112

That question was uncomfortable? treestar Sep 2014 #97

Actually, no Android3.14 Sep 2014 #99

The two aren't related. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #69

That is some stupid logic. No, it isn't logic at all. morningfog Sep 2014 #84

Two totally different things - in fact gollygee Sep 2014 #95

there is no sacred right of choosing how to raise one's own family. cali Sep 2014 #14

Do you really believe there should be no laws addressing treatment of children, even ones own? uppityperson Sep 2014 #17

Odd interpretation Android3.14 Sep 2014 #28

Not odd at all. Look at what you wrote, and answer my question first. uppityperson Sep 2014 #32

Reasonable question Android3.14 Sep 2014 #38

It is a difficult topic because it combines desire to do right with our emotional childhood memories uppityperson Sep 2014 #43

I'd have approached at least one of those differently Android3.14 Sep 2014 #46

It was well before time outs were possible. I used time outs when child got to that age uppityperson Sep 2014 #55

I have friends Dorian Gray Sep 2014 #90

I told them I treat kids like other people, if I see you about to do something dangerous or uppityperson Sep 2014 #113

Here ya go, kid... pipi_k Sep 2014 #54

Why no, I never asked my kid that question Android3.14 Sep 2014 #62

In certain circumstances, yes. moriah Sep 2014 #65

I feel sorry for any children in your care-- niyad Sep 2014 #21

The feeling is mutual Android3.14 Sep 2014 #29

wow, saying I feel sorry for children in your care is disrespecting your rights? but you niyad Sep 2014 #73

Oh I'm sure that threw you back several yards Android3.14 Sep 2014 #76

not if I see you abusing them. and that goes any time I see a person abusing a child, or niyad Sep 2014 #77

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Sep 2014 #40

Thank goodness it's your opinion Android3.14 Sep 2014 #49

I never encountered H2O Man Sep 2014 #59

^this AnalystInParadise Sep 2014 #78

Children already here are separate entities from their parents, they are not property. moriah Sep 2014 #58

I agree Android3.14 Sep 2014 #111

Society has every right to stop child abuse. Children are not the possessions of their parents, pnwmom Sep 2014 #80

No argument there Android3.14 Sep 2014 #110

You have no right to beat your kids. morningfog Sep 2014 #83

My judgement is not ignorant, it is based on personal experience. Coventina Sep 2014 #106

Again, people continue making errors of fact Android3.14 Sep 2014 #109

Then we have a disagreement that cannot be bridged. Coventina Sep 2014 #115

Well, apparently as many as 90% of parents have found the circumstances Android3.14 Sep 2014 #116

Do you have a link for this 90% statistic? Coventina Sep 2014 #117

Here Android3.14 Sep 2014 #118

70-90% of American parents. OK. Interesting that the article you cite makes the point that it's Coventina Sep 2014 #119

It's a natural way that mammals teach their offspring Android3.14 Sep 2014 #120

Hilarious! You cite an article to support your position that does nothing but debunk your position. Coventina Sep 2014 #122

You are misinterpreting what the article says and what I drew from it Android3.14 Sep 2014 #123

When a child Jamaal510 Sep 2014 #20

so you think it is okay to teach a child that it is okay for a larger, niyad Sep 2014 #22

Why must that be the lesson? Orrex Sep 2014 #30

nice try. I do feel sorry for any children in your care. niyad Sep 2014 #74

Why? Because I don't accept your assertions as fact? Orrex Sep 2014 #81

Let me get this right. newcriminal Sep 2014 #24

So it is ok to spank a baby? Is that what you are saying? uppityperson Sep 2014 #26

how young is "really" young? and how is time out, for instance "reasoning" with them cali Sep 2014 #31

So on a baby or toddler, what's your definition of a "spanking"? moriah Sep 2014 #61

You obviously don't understand developing brains. morningfog Sep 2014 #86

The brain of a baby or toddler laundry_queen Sep 2014 #87

We're gonna need a lot more jails. nt B2G Sep 2014 #34

I rarely spanked my kids B2G Sep 2014 #41

We had a door slammer, too. Easy fix: We took her bedroom door off the hinges Blaukraut Sep 2014 #48

But then I would have to listen to her music. lol. B2G Sep 2014 #50

LOL, good point! n/t Blaukraut Sep 2014 #51

Anyone hitting a kid is a piece of shit Union Scribe Sep 2014 #47

Corporal punishment is not illegal in Maryland. nt kelly1mm Sep 2014 #52

This is one of those things my family doesn't talk about but redstatebluegirl Sep 2014 #53

When I was in third grade we had it. Turbineguy Sep 2014 #60

If corporal punishment for child abuse RebelOne Sep 2014 #66

My mouth was washed out with soap, at age 6.... steve2470 Sep 2014 #70

Oh, Coventina, honestly, I don't think you're whining at all. Hardly! AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #79

Says the guy who voted "none of the above." XemaSab Sep 2014 #89

I wouldnt call that whining. Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #82

Cops can kill your kid for misbehaving. What would you do to keep that from happening? kickysnana Sep 2014 #88

Even if we criminalize corporal punishment... Sancho Sep 2014 #94

First of all: Wow! I had no idea this thread had over 100 replies! Coventina Sep 2014 #103

When was corporal punishment criminalized? TransitJohn Sep 2014 #121